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<div>I understand. I am not fixed on this approach ether. I do believe that there needs to be a controllable layer of granularity with respect to what is exposed inside of an extension. I was used this approach since the fileprivate was already there.</div>
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<div>I am not looking to make a perceived bad situation worse. I do want to be able have encapsulation in an extension that can be shared in a group that is easy to define and to perceive. Adrian had mentioned an idea that, if I understood it correctly, was
based on some modifier to the AC of private.<br>
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<div class="acompli_signature">I can appreciate that what I suggested as a solution may not be well received but I would like to elevate this up to the question of: "Is there support in the community for a way of having properties and methods marked as only
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<div class="">Overall, I'm pretty -1 on this proposal. I never really liked the fileprivate solution of scope being created to match (in my mind not quite related) file system/organizational boundaries of files–but it was the best compromise we could come up
with at the time (I’m up for improvements, but I fear that it’s too late to change now). The issue with directoryprivate/folderprivate is that it takes these issues from fileprivate and compounds across many files. With one file it’s easy to figure out what’s
going on, but once you have a more than a few than keeping track of access between them becomes a pain.</div>
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<div class="">Since Xcode is not a requirement for Swift development no, I was talking about a file system folder.</div>
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<div class="">I totally agree. For clarity, are we in agreement that the definition of "folder" is the underlying file system's implementation of a folder rather than some metadata setting? I am thinking of how Xcode as a view of project folder that at times
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<p class="" style="margin:15px 0px">Whoops I meant<span class="Apple-converted-space" style=""> </span><code class="" style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,'Liberation Mono',Courier,monospace; font-size:10pt; border-top-left-radius:3px; border-top-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-left-radius:3px; background-color:rgb(248,248,248); color:inherit; border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234); margin:0px 2px; padding:0px 5px; word-break:normal; word-wrap:normal">directoryprivate</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code class="" style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,'Liberation Mono',Courier,monospace; font-size:10pt; border-top-left-radius:3px; border-top-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-left-radius:3px; background-color:rgb(248,248,248); color:inherit; border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234); margin:0px 2px; padding:0px 5px; word-break:normal; word-wrap:normal">dictionaryprivate</code>.
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<p class="" style="margin:15px 0px"><span class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">You haven’t seen this in the list because no one requested<span class="Apple-converted-space" style=""> </span><code class="" style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,'Liberation Mono',Courier,monospace; font-size:10pt; border-top-left-radius:3px; border-top-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-left-radius:3px; background-color:rgb(248,248,248); color:inherit; border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234); margin:0px 2px; padding:0px 5px; word-break:normal; word-wrap:normal">dictionaryprivate</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>yet.
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<p class="" style="margin:15px 0px">I know there would be some people that would forget about<span class="Apple-converted-space" style=""> </span><code class="" style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,'Liberation Mono',Courier,monospace; font-size:10pt; border-top-left-radius:3px; border-top-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-right-radius:3px; border-bottom-left-radius:3px; background-color:rgb(248,248,248); color:inherit; border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234); margin:0px 2px; padding:0px 5px; word-break:normal; word-wrap:normal">(file/type)</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and
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