<div dir="ltr"><div class="markdown-here-wrapper" style=""><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">@Xiaodi @Tino<br>Apologies for my assumption that every developer already knows how to use Trello - the “lists” contain “cards” and the cards can be opened and you can add a more detailed description, comments, checklists, images, and other stuff. The thing you see in the list is just the title/headline of the card. Have another go.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important"><a href="https://trello.com/b/fmv4uV3n/swift-access-control">https://trello.com/b/fmv4uV3n/swift-access-control</a></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">@Xiaodi<br>Feel free to add a new list called “Bad Features” if you want, and add one card for each anti-feature, with a title and more detail/information in the card description about why it’s bad.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">I agree that <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">friend</code> classes in C++ were a horrible thing, but I think that my suggestion of “detailed access control defined by the user in named access-groups” would solve such problems, by allowing API authors to define “friends” however they like, and name them <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">Friends</code> or <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">ToDoFixThisProperly</code> or <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">ThingsThatCanAccessMyProperty</code> or <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">MutableSubclasses</code> or <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">ImmutableSubclasses</code> (etc.). Rien also suggested pretty much the same thing, but with the definition directly in the <code style="font-size:1em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">access(details go here about exactly what can access)</code> modifier instead of being defined in a named group.</p>
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