<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I agree that this discussion would probably be benefit from being included in the&nbsp;"Add code to super methods” discussion. The one thing that worries me about the pitch is that it might muck up calling semantics. For example:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">class</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> Person {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> firstName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> lastName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">init</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(firstName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, lastName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">self</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">.firstName = firstName</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">self</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">.lastName = lastName</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; }</span></div><p style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> printInformation() {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; print(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">firstName</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">lastName</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">)"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">}</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">class</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> Employee: Person {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> id: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">init</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(firstName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, lastName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, id: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">self</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">.id = id</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">super</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">.</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">init</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(firstName: firstName, lastName: lastName)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; }</span></div><p style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">override(before)</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> printInformation() {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; print(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">"Employee </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">id</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">)"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">}</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">class</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> PartTimeEmployee:&nbsp;</span>Employee {</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> workdays: [</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Day</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">]</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">init</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(firstName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, lastName: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, id: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, workdays: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Day</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">self</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">.workdays = workdays</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">super</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">.</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">init</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(firstName: firstName, lastName: lastName, id: id)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; }</span></div><p style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">override(before)</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> printInformation() {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; print(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">"Workdays: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">workdays</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">)"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">}</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">If someone instantiates a PartTimeEmployee and calls printInformation how do the calling semantics work? Is PartTimeEmployee called before Employee or is it the other way around? Also, what happens when after or before isn’t used in a superclass that is a subclass of something else? When is before or after called in that situation?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class="">Otherwise, I think the proposals are very similar and would benefit from being together both from a proposal and implementation stand point.</div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class="">-Andrew</div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Jay Abbott via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi Andrew,<br class=""><br class=""></div>There is a similar discussion (in that it solves some aspects of the same problem) going on at the moment with the subject "Add code to super methods" - check it out. The parts of this problem it doesn't address is that you would still have to override multiple init methods to ensure your common setup was called regardless of which initialiser is used. However, your idea of a post-init call might solve some of of the other issues being discussed there and affect that discussion quite a bit. In other words, I think these two ideas might benefit from being considered together rather than as separate issues.<br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 at 09:58 Tino Heth via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Initialization is already quite complex in Swift, so I'm very wary of adding new features and prefer Derricks idea over a new language feature.<br class="gmail_msg">
I hope Swift is still flexible enough for deep changes in this area — I guess enforcing that there is always a single designated initializer would not only improve on you usecase.<br class="gmail_msg">
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