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<p></p></div><div class="bloop_original_html"><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1475858278199183104" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Adrian Zubarev<br>Sent with Airmail</div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">Am 25. August 2016 um 19:29:13, John McCall (<a href="mailto:rjmccall@apple.com">rjmccall@apple.com</a>) schrieb:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div></div><div>
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<div class="">On Aug 25, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Karl via swift-evolution
<<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">This is not a new inconsistency. We’ve known about this
since “open” was first proposed.
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<div class="">Having sealed protocols would be nice, but it’s too
late for Swift 3 IMO.</div>
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Everything is too late for Swift 3. Bug fixes are about to be
too late for Swift 3, much less any actual language changes.</div>
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<div class="">On 22 Aug 2016, at 20:40, Adrian Zubarev via
swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Hello dear Swift community,</p>
<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">I was updating some of my
libraries where I noticed that the new<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">open</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>access modifier made
the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal;" class="">public</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>modifier inconsistent in one
way.</p>
<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">Conformances to protocols is
logically the same as inheritances on classes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">Conformances == (abstract) inheritance</code></li>
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<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">That said we should allow
protocols to be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">open/public</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>like we now allow this
distinction for classes.</p>
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<code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">open protocol</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>from module A should mean that
I’m allowed to conform to it in module B</li>
<li style="margin: 15px 0px;" class=""><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">public protocol</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>will act as an interface in
module B</li>
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<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">Not only sounds this behavior
like ‘nice to have’, it’s inconsistency and it’s a ‘really need’ +
a source breaking change in general.</p>
<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">A common mistake in Swift 3.0
would be to hide protocol members behind<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">public</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>modifier for protocols that
meant to be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal;" class="">open</code>. If a protocol member in an open class is
disallowed to be overridden by the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal;" class="">public</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>modifier and this behavior is
fixed, that will imply that you’ll have to open the member which
you intended to be not overridable.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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// In module A
public protocol Proto {
func doSomething()
}
open class Base : Proto {
// Dissallow to override - this would be a common mistake
public func doSomething() {}
}
// Used in module B - so it should be `open` after all
class Test : Proto {
func doSomething() {}
}
// After:
// In module A
open protocol Proto {
func doSomething()
}
open class Base : Proto {
// Whops we have to grant the ability to override this method now
// I made a mistake designing my protocol in Swift 3.0 :/
open func doSomething() {}
}
// In module B
class Test2 : Base {
// Uuuuuuh I can do bad things with this now if the module A was not redesigned to fix this. :)))
override func doSomething() {}
}
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<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">Personally I don’t have any
feeling of how huge the impact might be on Swift if this behavior
will be fixed. I also cannot tell if it’s something for Swift 3.x
or Swift 4.0.</p>
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