<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 26, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Xiaodi Wu <<a href="mailto:xiaodi.wu@gmail.com" class="">xiaodi.wu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></blockquote><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">That is not exactly what Brent was speaking of. We are talking about this scenario:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">File A:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">```</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">internal struct S {</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""> func foo() { }</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">}</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">```</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">File B:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">```</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">private protocol P {</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""> func foo()</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">}</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">extension P {</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""> func foo() { }</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">}</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">// With your proposal, I can't write the following line:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">extension S : P { }</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">// In file A, S.foo() isn't overriding anything, so I can't add `override`</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">// But in file B, S can't conform to P,</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">// because S.foo() isn't overriding P.foo() without `override` in file A</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">First of all, I cannot take credit for the proposal, as the thread was started by David, not me, so if the proposal is anyone’s, it’s his. With that said, what he proposes is:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:30 PM, David Cordero via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><b class="">Proposal:</b></div><div class="">Adding a keyword to the methods conforming protocols. As an example please check the following piece of code which uses the keyword `conform` to explicitly indicate that `myMethod` is a method conforming a protocol.</div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="">The wording here is that the keyword is needed for methods conforming to protocols. My reading of that is that:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">File A:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">protocol P {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>func foo()</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">struct S: P {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>conform func foo() {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>// I am declared as conforming to P, so in adding this method I am doing so to conform to P. Thus, I need the keyword.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>}</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- - whereas: - -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">File A:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">struct S {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>func foo() {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>// I am not declared as conforming to any protocol; I just think that being able to foo is an ability that I need to have.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>}</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">File B:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">private protocol P {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>func foo()</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">extension S: P {</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>// The area of contention.</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- - - - - -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The proposal doesn’t really mention what to do here, so we can argue a bit about it. There are multiple viewpoints one could take on this. A few could be:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. The extension should get some kind of keyword, “retro” or “@retro” or something better-sounding that someone smarter than I comes up with.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. The extension is unmarked, but declares foo() inside it with some sort of annotation to indicate that it represents a method that already exists.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. Just leave the extension exactly as written, since it’s not declaring any methods, and thus doesn’t have to indicate what those nonexistent method declarations conform to.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I began this discussion leaning toward #1, but now I’m starting to consider #3, since the purpose of the keyword is to declare one’s intentions. The intentions of an empty extension that does nothing but conform to a protocol is actually quite clear; the methods have to be already declared somewhere else, or it makes no sense. At any rate, the “problem” in your scenario is entirely confined to File B, so if any annotations are necessary, that is where they belong. File A does not know about the protocol, it does not know that it is conforming to the protocol, and indeed, the protocol is none of File A’s business. So since File A is not intending to conform to the protocol, File A does not have to declare its intent to conform to the protocol. If we require that, it’s all in File B’s court.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>