<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 18, 2016, at 12:43 AM, Sikhapol Saijit via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></blockquote><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">1. Is it intentional that <span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">try</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">?</span> can be used with a "non-method-call" and return an optional of the type that follows?</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>a. I’m not sure what you mean by “non-method-call”, since the thing you called in your example *was* a function that was marked with “throws”. Using try? on a non-throwing function or method does indeed produce a warning.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>b. I’m not a member of the development team, but I think it probably is intentional. There are two levels of optionality going on here; </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">2. Should we design <span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">try</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">?</span> to have higher precedence than <span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">as</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">? </span>or any operators at all?</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">My intuition tells me that </div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">try</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">? couldFailButWillNot()<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">as</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(112, 61, 170);">Int</span></div></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">should be equivalent to</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a = (</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">try</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">? couldFailButWillNot())<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">as</span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(112, 61, 170);">Int</span> </div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">This is more debatable whether it *should* be the case, but it’s worth pointing out that try/try?/try! work on the entire rest of the line, which means you can include more throwing calls and not have to put an ! each time:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> foo() </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">throws</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">return</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">3</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> bar() </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">throws</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">return</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">5</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">if</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> i = </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">try</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">? </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">foo</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">() + </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">bar</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">() { </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class="">// not try foo() + try bar()</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #3d1d81" class="">print</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">"i is </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">i</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">}</span></div></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;" class="">Or this:</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> foo() </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">throws</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">return</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">3</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> bar(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">_</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> i: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">throws</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">return</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> i + </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">2</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">if</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class=""> i = </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">try</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">? </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">bar</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">foo</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">()) { </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">// not bar(try foo())</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #3d1d81" class="">print</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">"i is </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">i</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #000000" class="">)</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: 11px; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">So multiple throwing statements can be used on a single line without having to throw “try” all over the place. Now, whether that’s worth the admittedly confusing behavior you noted above is probably a decent topic for debate.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">Charles</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div></body></html>