<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 31, 2016, at 15:42, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: SFUIText-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><a href="http://gmane.org/" class="">Gmane.org</a> is shutting down. <a href="http://ostatic.com/blog/mint-18-xfce-imminent-gmane-org-shutting-down" class="">http://ostatic.com/blog/mint-18-xfce-imminent-gmane-org-shutting-down</a> writes:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">"<strong class="" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Long time mailing</strong><span class="" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> list archive site<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gmane.org/" class="">Gmane.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is shutting down. Gmane has been the home for technical mailing list references since 2002. But it's no longer fun for founder and only maintainer Lars Ingebrigtsen. He's been sued in India and threatened with legal action in at least France, among other annoyances. The straw that broke Ingebrigtsen's back was a </span><a href="https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/" class="" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(7, 105, 141); cursor: pointer; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">sustained denial of service</a><span class="" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> attack throughout the month of July. He's been wondering a lot lately if it's all worth it. So, </span><a href="https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502" class="" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(7, 105, 141); cursor: pointer; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">he's decided</a><span class="" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> to move the mail and news servers to new hosting. However, Ingebrigtsen is indeed discontinuing the web-based archive. He said he's just "fed up." He's willing to send a disk with the web server archives to anyone who wants to take it over. But with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gmane.org/" class="">Gmane.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>web presence gone, it feels like the end of an era. There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth throughout the community with some even trying to get a petition started."</span></div></blockquote><div class=""><span class="" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><font color="#262626" class=""><span class="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Because of this shutdown, numerous documents in the Swift Evolution github archive no longer point to valid web links. I have pasted a list of gmane links at the end of this message. As gmane's "robots.txt" disallowed crawling, Google has not preserved the titles or text of the links, which makes finding some of these a little tricky.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#262626" class=""><span class="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#262626" class=""><span class="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Here are the remaining links that are not yet converted. Please consider adopting a proposal, tracking down its links, and mailing this thread with the proposal number, gmane links and pipermail equivalents. Pipermail is located at </span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/" class="">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/</a>. Some of these may refer to build dev discussions instead of evolution ones. If you can, please track down to the exact message for rationale, and the thread for discussion and review links.</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Completely agreed. All of these should point to <a href="https://lists.swift.org/" class="">https://lists.swift.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(and always should have, exactly for reasons like this). I’d appreciate any PRs to help clean up the evolution repo to point to <a href="https://lists.swift.org/" class="">https://lists.swift.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>instead.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 31, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Saagar Jha <<a href="mailto:saagarjha28@gmail.com" class="">saagarjha28@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I’d be happy to help. I see 94 instances of “gmane", do we want to split it up (since I see Erica is on it already)?<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Saagar Jha<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div><div class="">If you start from the end (most recent proposals) and work backwards, it will be a lot easier for me. Thanks! -- E</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></div></div></body></html>