<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Brent Royal-Gordon via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I have a pile of naming quibbles; rather than describe them all in prose (which turned into a mess), I've annotated parts of the "Full UnsafeRawPointer API" section in a gist: <</span><a href="https://gist.github.com/brentdax/8f4ed4decafc1d18c4441092baa13cfe" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://gist.github.com/brentdax/8f4ed4decafc1d18c4441092baa13cfe</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">>.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Let's bikeshed this easy one now... I’m curious what others think:<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""> // In general, I think you "initialize to" a value, not <br class=""> // "initialize with" a value. "with" is needlessly vacuous.<br class=""> // <br class=""> // func initialize<T>(_: T.Type, with: T, count: Int = 1)<br class=""> // -> UnsafeMutablePointer<T><br class=""> func initialize<T>(_: T.Type, to: T, count: Int = 1)<br class=""> -> UnsafeMutablePointer<T><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">`initialize` was recently renamed to `initialized(with:)`.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(175, 173, 36); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">commit d96b051d28b6042adcc8b8692a918abddf211aec</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Author: Dave Abrahams <<a href="mailto:dabrahams@apple.com" class="">dabrahams@apple.com</a>></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Date: Tue Feb 23 15:12:24 2016 -0800</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 11px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> stdlib: initializePointee(_) => initialize(with:)</span></div><p style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 11px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> Tacking "Pointee" on just for unary operations (and especially</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> operations with an optional count) created inconsistency.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So Swift 3 users have already migrated to this “better” name.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree that initialize(to:) is consistent with the language we use for assigning values. But grammatically, I think initialize(with:) also makes perfect sense and is just as common.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In general, if there’s controversy, I’ll stick with the existing conventions because there’s already enough to debate in this proposal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Andy</div></body></html>