<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 28, 2016, at 21:50, L. Mihalkovic <<a href="mailto:laurent.mihalkovic@gmail.com" class="">laurent.mihalkovic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Regards<div class="">LM</div><div class="">(From mobile)</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">On Jun 28, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Jordan Rose via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hey, all. An engineer at Apple noticed the following behavior:<div class=""><br class=""></div>1. class Foo: NSObject → exposed to Objective-C, Swift-style (mangled) runtime name<br class="">2. @objc class Foo: NSObject → exposed to Objective-C, Swift-style (mangled) runtime name<div class="">3. @objc(Foo) class Foo: NSObject → exposed to Objective-C, unmangled runtime name</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(and 4. @objc class Foo → illegal, classes must have ObjC heritage to be @objc.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They specifically observed that (1) and (2) have the same behavior, and suggested that maybe (2) should be shorthand for (3).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Pros:</div><div class="">- There aren't two ways to spell (1).</div><div class="">- Removing the mangling (and module uniquing) from the runtime name is probably one of the most common uses of @objc on a class.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cons:</div><div class="">- It's a source-breaking change, for all that the "@objc" in (2) is redundant.</div><div class="">- For protocols, (1) and (2) are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">not</i> equivalent, because @objc isn't inherited there.</div><div class="">- Mangling is used to namespace class names at run time; if you drop that, the ObjC name should probably have a prefix. (This applies more to frameworks than apps, though.)</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m -1 on this, because bare “@objc” in other contexts means “make sure this is exposed to Objective-C, but I don’t want to be explicit about the name” while “@objc(something)” means “make sure this is exposed to Objective-C, and ‘something’ is the name”. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">-1 </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Please'o'please ... I find it useful for complexifying simple swift names into the kind that typically exists on the objc side.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>To be clear, the argument form wouldn’t change, but it seems like there’s enough negative feedback on this that we shouldn’t do it. Thanks, everyone!</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Jordan</div><br class=""></body></html>