<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Speaking of C++, is the “group” keyword even necessary? To borrow your own example from earlier, it seems like we could just as easily say this:<div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162); margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">public</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">struct</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""> A {</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162); margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">public</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""> { </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class="">// all public</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> member1() {}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> member2() {}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> member3() {}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class=""> </span>}</div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162); font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162); font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">public</span><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162); font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">labelName</span> {<span style="color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class="">// all public, accessible under `foo.lableName`</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> member4() {}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> member5() {}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> member6() {}</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> }</span></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">}</span></div><div class="">(which is not C++’s syntax, I know… the comment just got me thinking about it is all)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Dave Sweeris</div></div></div>
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><p style="margin: 15px 0px; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">Looking at how c++ has a similar access modifier indent mechanism I’m still wondering if you’d argue about scrolling there.</p><blockquote style="margin: 15px 0px; border-left-width: 4px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); padding: 0px 15px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119);" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">with no assistance to find where it is</div></blockquote><p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">An assistant isn’t something the language solves for you. This is a different talk about the IDE. Grab some stdlib or foundation code and look at the filename and the code inside the file. The file might not contain only a single type equal to the filename. Also if there is another huge type present and you have a small display and currently looking at some specific member in the middle of that that type, which assistance have to find out the type of that member? Here we go again: you’re own assistant will your own negative argument ‘scrolling’.</p><div style="margin: 15px 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class="bloop_original_html" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div id="bloop_sign_1467222910914435840" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family: helvetica, arial; font-size: 13px;" class="">-- <br class="">Adrian Zubarev<br class="">Sent with Airmail</div></div></div><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><div style="margin: 15px 0px; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">swift-evolution mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254); text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254); text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>