<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 29, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Sean Heber <<a href="mailto:sean@fifthace.com" target="_blank">sean@fifthace.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>On Jun 29, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 29, 2016, at 10:08 AM, David Hart <<a href="mailto:david@hartbit.com" target="_blank">david@hartbit.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Sorry if I wasn’t expressing myself well enough. In my original email, I said that:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">The new rules make `private` more prominent compared to `fileprivate` (the latter has a somewhat worse name).<br></blockquote><br>So I agree that my issue is more with the naming than the functionality. I’m mainly complaining that because of its name, `fileprivate` feels like more of a special corner case of `private`. But in the style of writing types through extensions, `fileprivate` will become much more prevalent than `private`, which feels slightly backwards.<br></blockquote><br>I don’t view it as more of a special corner case at all, but I can see why you feel that way since it has an unprecedented (AFAIK) and more verbose name. <br><br>The proposal originally left `private` alone and used a new name for the new access level. We weren’t able to find a name that didn’t have problems which led to the idea of renaming the existing `private`.<br><br>My perspective is that it’s just the best name we could come up with for the concept in the context of the various access levels we want to support. The name isn’t intended to discourage use in any way. <br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">It may not be intended, but that doesn’t mean it won’t, though. :P</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">I can’t say exactly *why*, but I feel similar to David here in that “fileprivate” is such an… odd… name that I’m inclined to just not use it and let things default to “internal” instead. In fact, I have *already* caught myself doing this. I don’t know if that’s *bad* exactly (would more things being internal actually aid the compiler/optimizer?), </span></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I’m pretty sure more things being internal will not help the optimizer. In fact, if you are not compiling with WMO turned on it could prevent optimizations.</div><span class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">but I think this is a valid concern. The issue here is rooted in psychology, not technology. :/</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>That’s a fair perspective. But a *significant* amount of time was spent bike shedding this. I’m not sure whether you and David participated or not, but that was the time to have the naming discussion.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think the case being made here is that `fileprivate` was settled on when it was thought that it would be rarely used. With what's emerged in this discussion, it turns out that `fileprivate` might be more useful than previously thought, and the awkwardness of the name therefore is more troublesome than when the naming discussion first took place.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>IMO the value of having more control over visibility far outweighs a slightly awkward name for file level visibility. I don’t think it’s anywhere near awkward enough to avoid, but I suppose YMMV.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">l8r</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Sean</span></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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