<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Just to clarify:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was +1-ing real world `where` clauses. I am against this proposal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So… -1 from me on this proposal (and SE-0099 for what it’s worth).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sorry!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">-t</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Thanks for pointing out the confusion my email may have caused, Goffredo)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 28 Jun 2016, at 10:39, Tony Arnold <<a href="mailto:tony@thecocoabots.com" class="">tony@thecocoabots.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I wasn’t going to be +1 guy, but “+1”: <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I use where pretty heavily across both `if let` and in `for … in` loops. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I find both really readable when formatted, and I’d be disappointed to see them go. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m super annoyed that I missed (see “wasn’t paying attention during”) the review of SE-0099 because I would have loved to see `where` remain usable — it reads better than a comma and forces an order to things that made a lot of sense to me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">thanks,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tony</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Jun 2016, at 18:15, David Rönnqvist via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">We’ve also got two occurrences in our closed source, production code:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">for</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> (predicate, callback) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #4f8187" class="">predicatesAndCallbacks</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">where</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> predicate(typedEvent) {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> callback(typedEvent)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">}</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">for</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> conversation </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> conversations </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">where</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> conversation.<font color="#31595d" class="">state</font></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> == .</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">Established</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { </span>}</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They’re both quite simple and short, but I find them very readable (and I find the first one quite elegant). That said, it wouldn’t be much trouble for us to rewrite these using guard statements or any other construct. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- David</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Jun 2016, at 00:47, Russ Bishop via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:34 PM, William Shipley via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I’m against removing “where" from “for/in”. I use it in my code and I think it aids readability quite a bit. In the example:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><pre class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; line-height: 1.45; word-wrap: normal; padding: 16px; overflow: auto; background-color: rgb(247, 247, 247); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><code class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: transparent; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; word-break: normal; border: 0px; display: inline; overflow: visible; line-height: inherit; word-wrap: normal;">for x in theArray where x % 2 == 1 { print (x) }
</code></pre></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">I have used odd-even examples a lot when presenting this concept, and inevitably the response</div><div class="">is "Whoa, that's cool". What I'm missing are more challenging real-world use-cases to justify </div><div class="">the construct, and an exploration of why the challenging cases would not need debugger </div><div class="">support at that point.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My concern (and I am happy to be corrected) is that any code that becomes slightly more </div><div class="">complex loses the beauty and readability and hinders debugging at the same time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">— E</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Here are two that are shipping right now. </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">for</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(key</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">, tile)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">in</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">self</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">_cache</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">where</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>tile.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">tintColor</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>!=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">self</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">tintColor { }</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><br class=""></span></div></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">for</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>innerArray<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">in</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>actualValue<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">where</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>innerArray.contains(expectedElement) { }</span></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; 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