<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><p style="margin: 15px 0px; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">Really? I must have overlooked that some pitched that design.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p></div></div></blockquote>It wasn’t pitched in its own thread. It came up in discussions about the previous proposal a couple different times.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">Okay now that I think through this whole scenario, I like the underscore iff there is a good name that will be present in the final version.</p><p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">When Swift 3 drops, I’ll write a proposal for nested protocols which will refine your design (the original author went missing after pitching this idea, and Joe Groff told me that this probably out of scope for Swift 3)!</p></div></div></blockquote>Yes, the plan is to take advantage of any relevant features Swift gets in the future. This would allow removal of the underscore protocols. If Swift gets submodules or real namespaces I’m sure `Syntax` would become one of those as well. The good news is that all of this is considered implementation details that don’t affect user code so I don’t believe making these changes would require a proposal.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">Your current design might become this in Swift 3.X and all protocols marked with an underscore will disappear:</p><pre style="margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); overflow: auto; padding: 4px 8px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal;" class=""><code class="swift" style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;">public /* closed */ enum Syntax {
public protocol NilLiteral { ... }
public protocol BooleanLiteral { ... }
public protocol IntegerLiteral { ... }
public protocol FloatLiteral { ... }
public protocol UnicodeScalarLiteral { ... }
public protocol ExtendedGraphemeClusterLiteral { ... }
public protocol StringLiteralLiteral { ... }
public protocol StringInterplolationLiteral { ... }
public protocol ArrayrLiteral { ... }
public protocol DictionaryLiteral { ... }
}
</code></pre><div style="margin: 15px 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class="bloop_original_html" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div id="bloop_sign_1466782073435774208" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family: helvetica, arial; font-size: 13px;" class="">-- <br class="">Adrian Zubarev<br class="">Sent with Airmail</div></div><br class=""><p class="airmail_on" style="margin: 15px 0px;">Am 24. Juni 2016 um 17:25:45, Matthew Johnson (<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>) schrieb:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq" style="margin: 15px 0px;"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">The design in this proposal comes from the standard library team. The intent is for the use of underscore here to be consistent with other uses of underscore prefix in the standard library. I’m not sure why you think this is different than the rest...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="margin: 15px 0px;"><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px;">On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0px;"><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><p class="" style="margin: 15px 0px; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;">I’m aware of that fact, but all types with underscore even in the stdlib telling me to keep my hands of them, because something might happen to them.</p><div class="">As an example we have <code class="" style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;">_Strideable</code> protocol which is visible by its name, but its declaration isn’t visible at all:</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="margin: 15px 0px;"><div class="bloop_markdown" style="margin-top: 0px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><pre class="" style="margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); overflow: auto; padding: 4px 8px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;"><code class="" style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;">// FIXME(ABI)(compiler limitation): Remove `_Strideable`.
// WORKAROUND <a href="rdar://25214598" class="" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;">rdar://25214598</a> - should be:
// protocol Strideable : Comparable {...}
% for Self in ['_Strideable', 'Strideable']:
</code></pre><p class="" style="margin: 15px 0px;">From<span class="Apple-converted-space" style="-webkit-margin-before: 0px;"> </span><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/63c36dff0a327874a5041d46335bde314bc108d8/stdlib/public/core/Stride.swift.gyb" class="" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;">Stride.swift.gyb</a></p><div class="" style="margin: 15px 0px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder" style="-webkit-margin-before: 0px;"></div></div><div class="bloop_original_html" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><div id="bloop_customfont" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;"><br class=""></div><br class=""><div id="bloop_sign_1466781052554189056" class="bloop_sign"><div class="" style="font-family: helvetica, arial; font-size: 13px;">-- <br class="">Adrian Zubarev<br class="">Sent with Airmail</div></div><br class=""><p class="airmail_on" style="margin: 15px 0px;">Am 24. Juni 2016 um 17:09:53, Matthew Johnson (<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" class="" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;">matthew@anandabits.com</a>) schrieb:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq" style="margin: 15px 0px;"><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><span class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: 'helvetica Neue', helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">The underscore is used in the same way it is used elsewhere in the standard library. The protocols must be public because they need to be visible to user code in order for the design to work correctly. However, they are considered implementation details that users really shouldn’t know about. This pattern is well established in the standard library.</span></span></div></blockquote></div><div class="bloop_markdown" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);"><div class="" style="-webkit-margin-before: 0px; margin: 15px 0px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder" style="-webkit-margin-before: 0px;"></div></div><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254); float: none; display: inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial; 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