<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Kenny Wyland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:specialk@gmail.com" target="_blank">specialk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Xiaodi Wu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xiaodi.wu@gmail.com" target="_blank">xiaodi.wu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>(Whoops, reply to list; also adding a reply.)</div><span><div><br></div>On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Kenny Wyland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:specialk@gmail.com" target="_blank">specialk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Xiaodi Wu via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span>On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Brandon Knope <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bknope@me.com" target="_blank">bknope@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">How can it be unpersuasive? I can *show* you that keys that are easier to type/reach exist for a large majority of user’s.</div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>As I pointed out, your results are flawed because there are two keys frequently reached for in the vicinity of \ which are excluded from your analysis. Those keys are delete/backspace and return/enter.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>True, however, both of those keys (delete/backspace and return/enter) are over-sized for the specific reasons that they are difficult to hit in that position and we use them a lot so we compensate by making them larger. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>If you google some pictures of typewriter keyboards, you'll see that the backspace key was once the same size as all other keys (whereas the shift keys and space bar were not). Moreover, if you check out international keyboards, you'll find that several of these keys vary in size based on country, so clearly their specific size is not considered to be very important (even though (I presume) people delete things and advance lines at similar frequencies regardless of language). So I don't really buy the idea that these keys are sized "for the specific reason that they are difficult to hit."</div><span><div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>International support and ease of use is certainly important, but I'm not sure how old typewriter keyboards are any sort of valid data point in the discussion.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, given that hand sizes haven't really changed, it's an entirely valid data point with respect to your assertion that certain parts of the keyboard are difficult to hit. In fact, I'd argue it's probably one of the better data points. Our keyboard layouts today are constrained in part by habit and tradition, and what's more, we're more numb now to how learnable typing really is because the skill is now so commonplace. But given a blank slate, and with ample concern about the learning curve, our forbears could make the keys almost any size they wished--and they chose a small backspace key.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Kenny</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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