<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 28, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Thorsten Seitz &lt;<a href="mailto:tseitz42@icloud.com" class="">tseitz42@icloud.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Austin raised the point (or reminded of Joe’s raising the point) of possible problems when returning constrained existentials from generic functions:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">func foo&lt;P, Q&gt;(p: P, q: Q) -&gt; any&lt;Collection where .Element == P&gt; where P: Equatable { … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">would require parentheses when using `&amp;` instead of any&lt;&gt;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">func foo&lt;P, Q&gt;(p: P, q: Q) -&gt; (Collection where .Element == P) where P: Equatable { … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This would even be the case if there was no constraint on P:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">func foo&lt;P, Q&gt;(p: P, q: Q) -&gt; (Collection where .Element == P) { … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">An alternative would be to use `with` for existentials instead of `where`:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">func foo&lt;P, Q&gt;(p: P, q: Q) -&gt; Collection with .Element == P where P: Equatable { … }</div><div class="">&nbsp;</div><div class="">But even then this would be more readable either with parentheses (now just as a matter of style) or a line break:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">func foo&lt;P, Q&gt;(p: P, q: Q) -&gt; Collection with .Element == P&nbsp;</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>where P: Equatable { … }</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="">-Thorsten</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>We could make parentheses optional in the general case, and just have them mandatory in the following situations:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- You want to nest an existential literal inside another existential literal:</div><div>let a : Protocol1, (Protocol2 where .Blah == Int), Protocol3 = foo()</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- You want to return an existential with more than one term and/or a where clause from a function that has a generic where clause</div><div>func foo&lt;P, Q&gt;(p: P, q: Q) -&gt; (Collection with .Element == P) where P : Equatable { ... }</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- You want to use an existential as a function argument, and that existential has more than one term and/or a where clause</div><div>func foo(x: Protocol1, y: (Protocol2 where .Blah == Int), z: Protocol3) { ... }</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Would that be a reasonable compromise?</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Matthew</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">typealias P3Int = Protocol 3 where .Foo == Int</div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">let x : Protocol1, Protocol2, P3Int where Protocol2.Bar : Baz</div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you are writing the entire type in a single location I expect the conventional style to be like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">let x : Protocol1, Protocol2, Protocol 3 where Protocol2.Bar : Baz, Protocol3.Foo == Int</div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With all associated types constraints in a single `where` clause as we other places they are written in Swift.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe I am wrong about that and a different conventional style would emerge (for example, where clauses clustered with the related protocol). &nbsp;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But *requiring* parentheses is really orthogonal to the style issue of where and when it is considered *advisable* to use them.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Matthew</div></font></span><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope that explains my reasoning.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Austin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 27, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Matthew Johnson &lt;<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" target="_blank" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPad</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br class="">On May 27, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Austin Zheng &lt;<a href="mailto:austinzheng@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">austinzheng@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div class="">Here's a strawman idea.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What if we go with '&amp;' and 'where', but we enclose the whole thing in parentheses?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(class &amp; Protocol1 &amp; Protocol2 where .Foo == Int, .Bar : Baz)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are a couple of reasons I propose this syntax:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- It makes it very clear where the definition of the type begins and ends. I understand people really despise angle brackets, but I really want some way to visually delineate the boundaries of the type. Plus, I imagine it makes syntax a little easier to parse and preemptively forbids some ambiguities.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- It's a structural, not nominal, type, like a tuple, so it uses parens as well. This reserves "&lt;" and "&gt;" for generic types.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- The '&amp;' is easily understood - "Protocol1" *and* "Protocol2". It's also a signal that order doesn't matter - just like how order matters with things that use commas, like argument lists, tuples, and array members, order doesn't generally matter with bitwise or logical 'and' operators.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- If we ever decide to have union types, we have a very elegant third form of nominal type syntax that naturally falls out: (MyClass1 | MyClass2 | MyClass3).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thoughts?</div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">Generally in favor.&nbsp; But I would not require the parentheses.&nbsp; I believe they would be allowed optionally automatically, just as (Int) is the same as Int (because single element tuples don't exist and the underlying type is used directly instead).&nbsp; It seems better to leave parentheses up to a matter of style.</span><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Austin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 27, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Thorsten Seitz via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 27.05.2016 um 16:54 schrieb Matthew Johnson &lt;<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" target="_blank" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>&gt;:</div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div class=""><br class="">On May 27, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Thorsten Seitz via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Personally I think `&amp;` is more lightweight (and it is established in other languages like Ceylon and Typescript) and `where` is more expressive (and established in Swift for introducing constraints), so I would stay with these.</div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class="">I agree.&nbsp; If we can make `&amp;` with `where` work syntactically it would be nice to go in this lighter weight direction.&nbsp; If we decide to do that the question then becomes what to do with `protocol`.&nbsp; Would it be feasible to replace it with `&amp;` in Swift 3 if we decide on that direction?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yep. `protocol` should be replaced with `&amp;` in that case.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Thorsten</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Thorsten<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 27.05.2016 um 14:34 schrieb Vladimir.S &lt;<a href="mailto:svabox@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">svabox@gmail.com</a>&gt;:</div><br class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">Btw, in case we have `where` keyword in syntax related to types/protocols (when defining constrains. and not some symbol like '&gt;&gt;'.. don't know, for example), why we can't have 'and' keyword also when discuss the syntax of type/protocol conjunction?</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">I.e.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">let x: P and Q</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">let x: P and Q where P.T == Q.T</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">let x: P and Q and R</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">or, for consistency, as I understand it, we should have</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">let x: P &amp; Q &gt;&gt; P.T == Q.T</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">On 27.05.2016 11:55, Thorsten Seitz via swift-evolution wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class="">We could just write<br class=""><br class="">let x: P &amp; Q<br class="">instead of<br class="">let x: Any&lt;P, Q&gt;<br class=""><br class="">let x: Collection where .Element: P<br class="">instead of<br class="">let x: Any&lt;Collection where .Element: P&gt;<br class=""><br class="">let x: P &amp; Q where P.T == Q.T<br class="">instead of<br class="">let x: Any&lt;P, Q where P.T == Q.T&gt;<br class=""><br class="">let x: P &amp; Q &amp; R<br class="">instead of<br class="">let x: Any&lt;P, Q, R&gt;<br class=""><br class="">let x: Collection<br class="">instead of<br class="">let x: Any&lt;Collection&gt;<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">This would avoid the confusion of Any&lt;T1, T2&gt; being something completely<br class="">different than a generic type (i.e. order of T1, T2 does not matter whereas<br class="">for generic types it is essential).<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-Thorsten<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Am 26.05.2016 um 20:11 schrieb Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution<br class="">&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;&gt;:<br class=""><br class="">Something like |type&lt;…&gt;| was considered at the very start of the whole<br class="">discussion (in this thread<br class="">&lt;<a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20160502/016523.html" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20160502/016523.html</a>&gt;),<br class="">but it does not solve the meaning of an existential type and also might<br class="">lead to even more confusion.<br class=""><br class="">From my perspective I wouldn’t use parentheses here because it looks more<br class="">like an init without any label |Type.init(…)| or |Type(…)|. I could live<br class="">with |Any[…]| but this doesn’t look shiny and Swifty to me. Thats only my<br class="">personal view. ;)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">Adrian Zubarev<br class="">Sent with Airmail<br class=""><br class="">Am 26. Mai 2016 bei 19:48:04, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution<br class="">(<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;) schrieb:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Don't think {} is better here, as they also have "established meaning in<br class="">Swift today".<br class=""><br class="">How about just Type(P1 &amp; P2 | P3) - as IMO we can think of such<br class="">construction as "creation" of new type and `P1 &amp; P2 | P3` could be treated<br class="">as parameters to initializer.<br class=""><br class="">func f(t: Type(P1 &amp; P2 | P3)) {..}<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 26.05.2016 20:32, L. Mihalkovic via swift-evolution wrote:<br class="">&gt; How about something like Type{P1 &amp; P2 | P3} the point being that "&lt;...&gt;" has an established meaning in Swift today which is not what is expressed in the "&lt;P1,P2,P3&gt;" contained inside Any&lt;P1, P2,P3&gt;.<br class="">&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt; On May 26, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class="">&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; on Thu May 26 2016, Adrian Zubarev &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; There is great feedback going on here. I'd like to consider a few things here:<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; * What if we name the whole thing `Existential&lt;&gt;` to sort out all<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; confusion?<br class="">&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt; Some of us believe that “existential” is way too theoretical a word to<br class="">&gt;&gt; force into the official lexicon of Swift. I think “Any&lt;...&gt;” is much<br class="">&gt;&gt; more conceptually accessible.<br class="">&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; This would allow `typealias Any = Existential&lt;&gt;`. * Should<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; `protocol A: Any&lt;class&gt;` replace `protocol A: class`? Or at least<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; deprecate it. * Do we need `typealias AnyClass = Any&lt;class&gt;` or do we<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; want to use any class requirement existential directly? If second, we<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; will need to allow direct existential usage on protocols (right now we<br class="">&gt;&gt;&gt; only can use typealiases as a worksround).<br class="">&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt; --<br class="">&gt;&gt; Dave<br class="">&gt;&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br class="">&gt;&gt; swift-evolution mailing list<br class="">&gt;&gt;<span class="">&nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;<br class="">&gt;&gt;<span class="">&nbsp;</span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class="">&gt; _______________________________________________<br class="">&gt; swift-evolution mailing list<br class="">&gt;<span class="">&nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;<br class="">&gt;<span class="">&nbsp;</span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class="">&gt;<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><span class="">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;<br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_____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