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<div class="">Thanks Michael for the input. I realized that after your last response I was indeed mixing terms. I will post up on the swift-corelibs-dev list.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject: </span>Re: [swift-evolution] Crypto routines as part of the core library<br class="">
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<div class="">It should be provided by Swift, not some unknown developer out on Github, no matter how good his\her credentials are. I see core libraries as part of the language runtime. If you look at other modern languages such as Java, crypto is there out
of the box, you don’t have to do anything extra to get support. No extra jars to download, etc. and that’s how it should be with Swift.</div>
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<div class="">Ah, I think we have a problem with our definition of terms. When I say “language feature” I’m referring to syntax, semantics, and other compiler enhancements that may be necessary. What you’re describing can be solved entirely in the core libraries without
direct language or compiler changes. In the case of Java, there is no *language* support, but there library support in the standard included libraries. That is, there is no special syntax or compiler changes to support this, just bundled Java code. This is
in contrast to, e.g. regular expressions in scripting language like perl or ruby, where there is actual syntax and semantics that make using them easier, as opposed to other languages that just have them in libraries.</div>
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<div class="">I think having an official sanctioned, Swift-provided (via the core libraries) crypto library makes sense, but again I’m not familiar with the core libraries. Please also ask on swift-corelibs-dev, as they might know better if there’s already efforts underway.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To: </span>Travis Beech <<a href="mailto:tbeech@unwiredrevolution.com" class="">tbeech@unwiredrevolution.com</a>><br class="">
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<div class="">Core libraries would be a great place, I just think this is a huge oversight in the language itself. I don’t think libraries found out on Github should be trusted, I think crypto should be done in an organized effort to ensure that the implementations
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<div class="">That sounds like a contradiction. “Core libraries would be a great place” and “this is a huge oversight in the language itself”. Could you describe what language-level functionality would be needed here that can’t be adequately addressed by the
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<div class="">Why would it need to be built into the language proper instead of the core libraries? I am not too familiar with the core libraries, but perhaps <a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-corelibs-dev" class="">swift-corelibs-dev</a> is
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