<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Can't agree with you.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">As you see from this topic, many of us use the "with" feature by</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">using workarounds/hacks.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Those, who don't use such "with" feature - can</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">produce even more bugging code(copy-paste,wrong editor's code completion</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">suggestion).</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">So, I think this is "good" feature, not just cool/nice</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">looking. It will help us to write code with less bugs, without workarounds/hacks.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Do you want to stop good feature, that is helping us to produce good code, because someone can use it "wrong"? Well, don't think this is right.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">that is a bit of an extreme simplification of what I was saying, but I do believe that programming has become a modern day blue-colar job where IMHO the majority of programmers display a lot of creativity when it comes to perverting good ideas. In that context, I think that it makes sense to rescue code from the programmers writing it. I have seen a lot of bad VBA code written using WITH blocks. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I just realized that my problem with this thread is the reference to VBA. The concept of method cascades described in: <a href="https://gist.github.com/erica/6794d48d917e2084d6ed" class="">https://gist.github.com/erica/6794d48d917e2084d6ed</a> is partially interesting to me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IMHO a solution allowing the following</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">WITH self {</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>.doSomething()</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>// a lot of code</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>…</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>….</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>…..</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>// and 700 lines of code later</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>.doSeomthingElse()</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">is barking up the wrong tree, because for as grotesque as this code is, if it can be done, it will be done… a lot .. because it is easy to do. And code like the following is IMHO taking the same slippery slope</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><pre style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow: auto; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 1.45; padding: 16px; background-color: rgb(247, 247, 247); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; word-wrap: normal; word-break: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""> sharedName <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> newValue <span class="pl-c" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(150, 152, 150);">// myInstance.sharedName = newValue (3)</span>
_<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">.</span>sharedName <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> newValue <span class="pl-c" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(150, 152, 150);">// the locally scoped newValue (2)</span>
_<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">.</span>_<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">.</span>sharedName <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> newValue <span class="pl-c" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(150, 152, 150);">// I don't actually propose this, but (1)</span>
</pre></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The following code however looks like a real productivity improvement (provided NOTHING else can be added between the chained invocations)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><pre style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow: auto; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 1.45; padding: 16px; background-color: rgb(247, 247, 247); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; word-wrap: normal; word-break: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">with <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">let</span> task <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> NSTask() {
launchPath <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> <span class="pl-s" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(24, 54, 145);"><span class="pl-pds" style="box-sizing: border-box;">"</span>/usr/bin/mdfind<span class="pl-pds" style="box-sizing: border-box;">"</span></span>
arguments <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> [<span class="pl-s" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(24, 54, 145);"><span class="pl-pds" style="box-sizing: border-box;">"</span>kMDItemDisplayName == *.playground<span class="pl-pds" style="box-sizing: border-box;">"</span></span>]
standardOutput <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> pipe
launch()
waitUntilExit()
}</pre><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class="">LM/</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>