<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Apr 2016, at 14:25, Xiaodi Wu <<a href="mailto:xiaodi.wu@gmail.com" class="">xiaodi.wu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="white-space:pre-wrap" class="">What types do you have in mind that would only support positive distances? All numeric types (yes, even UInt, etc.) have signed distances, which reflects the basic mathematical abstraction of a number line.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Say you wanted to stride through a singly-linked list, it would actually be beneficial to support only forward strides, the same is true of sequences, as you either may not know what the endpoint is, or would have to step through the whole sequence to find it (plus buffer every value in order to do-so safely).</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="white-space:pre-wrap" class="">A consistent behavior with signed distances is so important that we are currently struggling with an interesting issue with floating point types, which is that due to rounding error 10.0 + a - a != 10.0 for some values of a.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>While that’s interesting I’m not sure why the sign is important; to me a stride is a width so it being negative makes no sense. For example, say I laid an array of Ints, organised into groups of five (and also that I’m lunatic who won’t use a tuple for this), the stride of this array is 5 whether I’m stepping through it forwards or backwards. Imagine I defined this like so (more realistically it’d be a struct or a class):</div><div><br class=""></div><div><font face="Monaco" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>typealias StridedIntegerArray:(stride:Int, array:[Int])</font></div><div><br class=""></div><div>If the stride is set to 5, it’s always 5, the only thing that changes is whether I want to stride from the start or end of the array, plus I could things like:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><font face="Monaco" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>myStridedIntegerArray.prefix(from: 2).striding(forwardBy: myStridedIntegerArray.stride)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>// Returns element at index 2, 7, 12, etc.</font></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>It just occurred to me that perhaps you intended this method only for ranges specifically and that perhaps I’m confusing things, but it seems to me like it should be a method for all sequences (with reverse stride available on collections with a reverse index type) returning a generator that only returns (or computes) every Nth element, for generic sequences/collections this would take the start or end index and use advanced(by:), though again, I kind of feel like that should be two separate methods as well, but that’s for another issue I think.</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:53 PM Haravikk via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Apr 2016, at 11:17, Brent Royal-Gordon <<a href="mailto:brent@architechies.com" target="_blank" class="">brent@architechies.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Why not just assign it the correct sign during the init function?<br class="">(0 ... 6).striding(by: 2) // [0, 2, 4, 6], end > start, so stride = by<br class="">(6 ... 0).striding(by: 2) // [6, 4, 2, 0], start > end, so stride = -by<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">One reason not to do it this way is that, if we extend `striding(by:)` to other collections, they will not be as easy to walk backwards through as this. You will have to do something like `collection.reversed().striding(by:)` which will be a hassle.</div></blockquote><br class=""></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Any thoughts on the alternative I mentioned a little earlier to define overloads instead of positive/negative? i.e- you would have two methods, <font face="Menlo" class="">.striding(forwardBy:)</font> and <font face="Monaco" class="">.striding(backwardBy:)</font>. In addition to eliminating the use of a negative stride to indicate direction, this has the advantage that .striding(backwardBy:) can be defined only for types with a ReverseIndex or only for collections (as you can stride through a sequence, but only by going forward).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This should also make documentation a bit clearer, otherwise you’ve got the caveat that to go backwards requires a negative value, but only if the type supports that, which a developer would then need to check. Instead it either has the backwardBy variant or not.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know that advance(by:) supports negative values, but this is actually something I wouldn’t mind seeing changed as well, as it has the same issues (passing a negative value in looks fine until you realise the type is a ForwardIndex only). It would also allow us to define Distance types that don’t support a direction, since this would be given by the choice of method called instead.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course I’d still like to be able to define 6 … 0 or whatever, but this would at least eliminate what I dislike about using negatives for direction.</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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