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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Radosław Pietruszewski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:radexpl@gmail.com" target="_blank">radexpl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>This is very much on purpose. In more weakly typed languages, nil is treated as a “falsy” value, and so you can use || to deal with it. Swift is very strongly typed and only booleans can be used in boolean expressions, not boolean-like values. (Remember how you used to be able to do `if someOptional`, but it was changed so that you have to say `if someOptional != nil`). When we talk about optionals, we use ? symbol to convey that something is optional-related. And so there’s ??.</div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 16 Feb 2016, at 15:18, James Campbell via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div>Granted it may be confusing since other languages use the Or operator which reads better.</div><div><br></div><div>X ||= y</div><div><br></div><div>However I would argue that this operator has no choice but to use ??= Since it is a mirror for the ?? Operation.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps it would be better for the language if ?? Was actually || but this would be a small but big change and would belong in another proposal.</div><div><br><div>Sent from <a dir="ltr" href="http://supmenow.com/" target="_blank">Supmenow.com</a></div><br></div><br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 6:14 AM -0800, "Ross O'Brien via swift-evolution" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div>"y is assigned to x if x is nil" <i>is</i> exactly what "x ??= y" means. If x is nil, x is assigned the value of y; if x is not nil, it doesn't matter what y is.</div><div><br></div><div>This is exactly consistent with the boolean operator ||= ; "x ||= y" means "y is assigned to x if x is false" - if x is false, x is assigned the value of y; if x is true, it doesn't matter what y is.)</div><div><br></div><div>Why do you think it means the opposite?<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, David Sweeris via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>-1, because in my mind, "x ??= y" kinda looks like "y is assigned to x iff y isn't nil", or, if you associate the ?? part with the lhs, "y is assigned to x if x is nil", neither of which is what the proposed operator means. In fact, the 2nd case is the *opposite* of what ??= means in this proposal.</div><div><br></div><div>To be clear, it's the syntax that I'm opposed to, not the concept.</div><div><br></div><div>- Dave Sweeris</div><div><div><div><br>On Feb 12, 2016, at 23:15, Douglas Gregor <<a href="mailto:dgregor@apple.com" target="_blank">dgregor@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,'Segoe UI',Arial,freesans,sans-serif,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji','Segoe UI Symbol';font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hello Swift community,</p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,'Segoe UI',Arial,freesans,sans-serif,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji','Segoe UI Symbol';font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The review of SE-0024 "Optional Value Setter `??=`" begins now and runs through February 18, 2016. 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