<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span>Gah! Well if you'd like to post those messages here, you certainly have</span><br><span>my permission. It might be good to have them as part of the public</span><br><span>record.</span><br></blockquote><br><div>My reply back to Dave...</div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">On Feb 5, 2016, at 22:04, Dave Abrahams <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:dabrahams@apple.com" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1">dabrahams@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">on Fri Feb 05 2016, Matthew Judge <<a dir="ltr" href="http://matthew.judge-at-gmail.com/" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="3">matthew.judge-AT-gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I certainly can live with these guidelines (and although I have a<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">slight preference for something like move(from: a, to: b), it is only<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">a _slight_ preference). However, I do have a suggested tweak to<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">A. that I believe maintains clarity of guidance and covers this<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">case. (See below inline)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">On Feb 5, 2016, at 16:32, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="5">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Given all the awesome feedback I've gotten on this thread, I went back<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">to the drawing board and came up with something new; I think this one<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">works. The previously-stated goals still apply:<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">* describe when and where to use argument labels<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">* require labels in many of the cases people have asked for them<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">* are understandable by humans (this means relatively simple)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">* preserve important semantics communicated by existing APIs.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Please keep in mind that it is a non-goal to capture considerations we<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">think have a bearing on good names (such as relatedness of parameters):<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">it's to create simple guidelines that have the right effect in nearly<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">all cases.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">A. When arguments can't be usefully distinguished from one another, none<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">should have argument labels, e.g. min(x,y), zip(x,y,z). <br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">When arguments' _importance_ can't be usefully distinguished from one<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">another, none should have argument labels or _all should have argument<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">labels_, e.g. min(x,y), zip(x,y,z), move(from: a, to: b), moveTo(x: a,<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">y: b)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">That would also imply <br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">move(a, b)<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">tracksWith(a, b)<br></span></font></blockquote><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>I would not want either of these two allowed. <br><br>I just realized that the rules as you wrote them imply "if A applies, ignore B"... I was thinking of A as special case that modifies the rules in B. So if we refactor the guidelines to:<br><br>Guideline 1: B.1<br>Guideline 2: B.2<br>Special Case: A.1<br><br>I believe they are both still covered by B.1 <br><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">are both OK, because the importance of a and b can't be distinguished.<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">It would also imply that<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">min(first: a, second: b) <br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">is OK. I don't want any of these to be OK. Do you?<br></span></font></blockquote><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>I think omit needless words still covers this. I would say zip() is clearly still covered by B.1 as well. (With my above refactoring of the guidelines.)<br><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Even if it didn't have these problems, it's asking people to make a<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">judgement about importance, which makes the rule harder to apply<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">consistently, and the only practical effect of your proposed change<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">seems to be to get your preferred form for move(from: a, to: b).<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">B. Otherwise,<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">1. At the call site, a first parameter that has no argument label must<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> form part of a grammatical phrase that starts with the basename, less<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> any trailing nouns. <br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>I forgot to carry this comment forward from my reply to the other thread, but I think constraining this to the first parameter is needlessly specific. <br><br>"At the call site, parameter(s) that have no argument label must..." still seems to do what we want and covers a case like zip(x,y,z) without needing to apply a special rule. (Although there is an implied "and" to make it a sentence: "zip x, y, and z")<br><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> print(x)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.contains(b)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.mergeWith(b)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.addGestureRecognizer(x)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ trailing noun<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">One other potential concern. I understand (and wholeheartedly agree)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">that GestureRecognizer should be pet of the base name here, but I'm<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">not sure I see where the guidance explains it to me.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Ah, I see what you mean. The rules as written would also allow<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> add(gestureRecognizer: x)<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Excellent point! I think the fix is to declare, in B.1., that this form<br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">is to be preferred.<br></span></font></blockquote><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>I'm not sure how prevalent my way of thinking about method names is, but I would argue the following both have argument labels, they've just been pulled to the left of the parenthesis:<br><br>a.mergeWith(b)<br>a.addGestureRecognizer(b)<br><br>So in my mind, B.2 really is just "move the first argument label into the base name unless B.1 prevents it" which then covers addGestureRecognizer and addObserver styled method names.<br><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> This phrase must have the correct semantic implications, so, e.g.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.dismiss(b) // no, unless a is really dismissing b<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.dismissAnimated(b) // no, not grammatical<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.dismiss(animated: b) // yes, using a label<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">2. If the first argument is part of a prepositional phrase, put the<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> parenthesis immediately after the preposition. <br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.encodeWith(b)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.moveFrom(b, to: c)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Thus, if words are required for any reason between the preposition<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> and the first argument, they go into the first argument label.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.tracksWith(mediaType: b, composer: c)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.moveTo(x: 22, y: 99)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Notes: <br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">a. I would recommend prepositions other than "with" in nearly all<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">cases, but that's not the point of these rules.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">b. I can understand the aesthetic appeal of<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> a.move(from: b, to: c)<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">but I believe it is not a clear enough improvement to justify<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">additional complexity in the guidelines.<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Questions:<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">1. I'm not expecting these guidelines to make everybody optimally happy,<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">all the time, but they shouldn't be harmful. Are there any cases for<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">which they produce results you couldn't live with?<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">2. Are there any cases where you'd be confused about how to apply these<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">guidelines?<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Thanks in advance for all your valuable input!<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">P.S. Doug is presently working on generating new importer results, based<br></span></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> on these guidelines, for your perusal. 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