<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Removing var from function params, I get that. But the if-binding is unfortunate. It's literally a line of code for the sole purpose of making the compiler happy. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Working with optionals is already clumsy enough, we really don't need to make it more so. <br><br>-David</div><div><br>On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:03 AM, J. Cheyo Jimenez via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">if let currentRect = selection?.rect {</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> var expandedRect = currentRect </span></font></div></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">VS</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></font></div><div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">if var expandedRec = selection?.rect {</span></font></div></div><div><br></div>If let is perfectly fine if most of the code base is with classes. Perhaps I can see the argument on why pattern matching and even why functions should only allow let but for guard and if binding, the uses of var are more practical and less boiler plate <span></span>specially when dealing with mutable value types. <br><br>On Saturday, January 23, 2016, Marc Knaup via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Scanning through our iOS project with ~600 Swift files we barely use `var` for function parameters or for if/guard statements.<div><br></div><div>I think the problems you outline should not be solved by using `var` but by making the code's intent much clearer by using distinct variable names.</div><div><br></div><div>In your example it is not clear what the purpose of the shadowed `rect` variable is. The same is true if you use `if var rect = …`:</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">var selection = getRectangularSelection()</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">if let rect = selection?.rect {</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> var rect = rect // what is rect used for? the variable name is quite generic</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> // mutate `rect` ...</font></div><div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> // probably a lot of code</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> // …</font></div></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> selection.rect = rect // what rect again?</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">}</font></div></div><div><br></div><div>A better solution is to name the variables differently and make their intent very clear:</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">var selection = getRectangularSelection()</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">if let currentRect = selection?.rect {</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> var expandedRect = currentRect // intent becomes clear now</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> // expand `expandedRect` ...</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> // probably a lot of code</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> // …</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> </font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> selection.rect = expandedRect // ah, THAT rect!</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">}</font></div></div><div><br></div><div>So `if var` is really not necessary and causes more harm than good due to reduced clarity.</div><div><br></div><div>-1 for reversing the proposal from me.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:26 PM, David Farler via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','swift-evolution@swift.org');" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello everyone,<br>
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I'd like to reconsider SE-0003 for Swift 3 and propose cancelling the change in its entirety. After collecting feedback since Swift's open source launch, I no longer feel this is a good move and there are a few reasons why.<br>
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There are two main patterns that the removal penalizes:<br>
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- Get-Modify-Reassign<br>
- Get-Modify-Return<br>
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I've found that many of the problems with this proposal stem from the uses before and after the "Modify" part, before returning or reassigning with the new value.<br>
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I've seen a few common responses to the var removal. Consider a `Rectangle` struct:<br>
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struct Rectangle {<br>
var origin: (x: Double, y: Double)<br>
var size: (width: Double, height: Double)<br>
}<br>
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Even with mutable variables `origin` and `size`, this pattern would be impossible:<br>
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var selection = getRectangularSelection()<br>
if var rect = selection?.rect {<br>
// Mutate `rect` ...<br>
selection.rect = rect<br>
}<br>
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So, one might shadow the variable, which is not ideal:<br>
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var selection = getRectangularSelection()<br>
if let rect = selection?.rect {<br>
var rect = rect // Not so great<br>
// Mutate `rect` ...<br>
selection.rect = rect<br>
}<br>
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Or, you might make a transformation function on `Rect`:<br>
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struct Rectangle {<br>
var origin: (x: Double, y: Double)<br>
var size: (width: Double, height: Double)<br>
func withOrigin(x: Double, y: Double) -> Rect {<br>
var r = self<br>
r.origin = (x, y)<br>
return r<br>
}<br>
}<br>
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This is a much better solution than shadowing but you would need one of these for any property that you want to mutate and I think you'll agree that it doesn't scale with the language we have today. This response begs for a kind of initializer that takes all of the fields of the original struct except any that you want to override:<br>
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if let rect = selection?.rect.with(origin: newOrigin) {<br>
// ...<br>
}<br>
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Straw syntax, but maybe you'll see something along these lines on swift-evolution in the future, which would provide a clear alternative to direct mutation patterns. Even then, I think having complementary patterns in the language isn't a bad thing.<br>
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These problems come up with the other variable bindings but the one that ended up bothering me the most was `guard var`:<br>
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func transform(selection: Rect?) {<br>
guard let rect = selection else { return }<br>
var _rect = rect<br>
// Mutate `_rect` ...<br>
}<br>
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One of the guard statement's main purposes is to conditionally bind a value as a peer in its own scope, not an inner scope like if statements. Not having var makes the guard statement much weaker.<br>
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There is certainly a bit of confusion about the nuances between value and reference semantics, who owns a value and when, how effects are propagated back to values, but I think we can attack the problem with more finesse.<br>
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Value types are one of the attractive features of Swift – because of their semantics, mutating algorithms are written in a familiar style but keeping effects limited to your unique reference. I don't think we should give that up now to address confusion about semantics, out of principle, or in anticipation of new language features. I propose cancelling this change for Swift 3 and continue to allow `var` in the grammar everywhere it occurs in Swift 2.2.<br>
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Regards,<br>
David<br>
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