<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Janosch Hildebrand via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Douglas Gregor <<a href="mailto:dgregor@apple.com" class="">dgregor@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Jan 11, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Janosch Hildebrand <<a href="mailto:jnosh@jnosh.com" class="">jnosh@jnosh.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 11 Jan 2016, at 07:37, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> </span><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">* What is your evaluation of the proposal?</span><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s a well-considered and well-written proposal. I agree with the semantics of memberwise initializers (+1 to adding a reasonable implicit memberwise initializer for classes, and the ability to use default arguments in that implicit memberwise initializer). However, I would prefer to accept the semantics as improvements to the creation of the implicit memberwise initializer, so it’s a -1 to the “memberwise” specifier and “…” placeholder syntax.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">Since this has been mentioned a few times now I'd like to add that I would support that as well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm not really sure enough yet as to how the reviews work, so I'll ask here:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is it possible for a subset or modified version of a proposal to be accepted or would the proposal be rejected while asking for a reduced/modified follow-up proposal?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also are proposals always accepted or rejected, or could a proposal be returned as "needs more work, submit again later" instead of a flat out rejection?</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">The core team can do any of the above, including accepting subsets of proposals, accepting a proposal with modification, sending a proposal back for revision to come through the process again, etc. In general, we’ll try to do the lowest-overhead thing that makes sense for Swift.</span><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>- Doug</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, that's great to hear!</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I agree. I know that some parts of this proposal are more controversial than others, especially. Least controversial being the improvements to the implicit memberwise initializer. <div><br></div><div>I would much prefer to see a modified version of the proposal accepted than the whole thing rejected.</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
<div class="">- Janosch</div>
</div>
<br class="">
<img src="https://u2002410.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=eLFMrKDT8iBxZ-2Fbnk-2BZqvSchNN-2FvYXdceA0T7VxwkAdICr9eKtI4DJRWZIiS4Xz4hIPItDFokiCte3b5TiEVrimxmqoaQzFZzILhpe9imFEoyTwWBTHaB-2FZILqxrAZdwFGfV8W9GeNIL2wVuJ3QEwzXUkP5njYi3Lk3tYCHyb5alRku91SFjcFJi4cfhqVeZIz5yjpG-2FNvGR-2Bvj4A278xcISBncfETlcnGCqxr7Yxj0-3D" alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="height:1px !important;width:1px !important;border-width:0 !important;margin-top:0 !important;margin-bottom:0 !important;margin-right:0 !important;margin-left:0 !important;padding-top:0 !important;padding-bottom:0 !important;padding-right:0 !important;padding-left:0 !important;">
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>swift-evolution mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>