<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 7, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Alex Johnson &lt;<a href="mailto:ajohnson@quickleft.com" class="">ajohnson@quickleft.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Meanwhile, back on the topic of the "..." placeholder.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For me, it boils down to:<div class=""><ol class=""><li class="">The addition of the "memberwise" keyword and associated behavior would stand on it's own, without the inclusion of the "..." placeholder syntax. (IMO)</li><li class="">Omitting the "..." placeholder syntax<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i class="">now</i>&nbsp;wouldn't prevent it from being added<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i class="">later</i>.</li></ol>If you agree with those statements, then the principle of "<a href="https://swift.org/contributing/#incremental-development" class="">smallest, incremental change</a>" [<a href="http://swift.org/" class="">swift.org</a>] seems to imply that the placeholder should be removed from this proposal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's my opinion. Does the rest of the community feel that the "..." placeholder is a<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i class="">necessary</i><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>part of this proposal?<br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>That’s a fair opinion and is how this worked in the first draft of the proposal. &nbsp;If folks want to bikeshed on this topic be my guest. &nbsp;</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Of course I wouldn’t have changed the proposal if I didn’t think `…` was a good idea so you know where I stand. &nbsp;:)</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Matthew Johnson<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir="ltr" class="">&lt;<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" target="_blank" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>&gt;</span><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class="">On Jan 6, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Matthew Johnson &lt;<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" target="_blank" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote><font color="#5856d6" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font></span><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><span class="">On Jan 6, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Alex Johnson &lt;<a href="mailto:ajohnson@quickleft.com" target="_blank" class="">ajohnson@quickleft.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""></font>Hi Matthew,<br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""></font>Thanks for the explanation.<br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""></font>Before getting into a deeper discussion, I'd like to try to enumerate the reasons for adding the placeholder as I understand them:<br class=""></span>Does that seem accurate?<span class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Add clarity by visually distinguishing memberwise initializers from normal initializers.<br class="">Introduce a "synthesized parameters placeholder" syntax that might be useful in other places.<br class="">Allow some control over where the synthesized memberwise parameters end up in the initializer signature.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></div></blockquote><font color="#5856d6" class=""><br class=""></font><div class=""><div class="h5">This is mostly correct (in terms of my motivation - Chris may have additional reasons). &nbsp;<br class=""><font color="#5856d6" class=""><br class=""></font>The point about clarity in regards to the `…` is about making it clear when looking at the signature that synthesized parameters are included in addition to those that are manually specified.&nbsp; This the most important point.<br class=""><font color="#5856d6" class=""><br class=""></font>The `memberwise` declaration modifier on the initializer itself is what distinguishes memberwise initializers from other initializers.<br class=""><font color="#5856d6" class=""><br class=""></font>Matthew<br class=""><font color="#5856d6" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""></font>~ Alex<br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font>On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Johnson<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir="ltr" class="">&lt;<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" target="_blank" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>&gt;</span><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><span class="">On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Alex Johnson via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>(this is mostly a repost of a message I sent to the "[draft]" thread for this proposal, with some light editing to better match terminology in the proposal)<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font><b class="">What is your evaluation of the proposal?</b><br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>I like this proposal. I think it will bring some much-needed ease-of-use.<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>I have reservations about the "<font face="monospace, monospace" class="">...</font>" placeholder for the&nbsp;memberwise initialization parameters, though. I know this was suggested by Chris&nbsp;Lattner, so I'm inclined to defer to his judgement. But, here are my thoughts:<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">First, it's very close to the varags syntax (e.g. "<font face="monospace, monospace" class="">Int...</font>") which can also appear in initializer&nbsp;parameter&nbsp;lists.</div></div></div><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>Second, and I think more important, I'm not sure that it's all that<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i class="">useful</i>. It's presence isn't necessary for triggering memberwise initialization synthesis; that is already done by the "memberwise" keyword.<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>The primary example given in the proposal is:<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">memberwise init(anInt: Int, anotherInt: Int, ...) {</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">&nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>/* code using anInt and anotherInt */</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">}</font></div></div></div></blockquote><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>That is, it's used to indicate where the synthesized parameters appear in the parameter list if there are also custom (non-memberwise)&nbsp;parameters.<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>My question is,<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class="">could the memberwise initialization parameters always be last?</b><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>That would eliminate the need for the placeholder.<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>I don't think I've seen a compelling case for embedding the "<font face="monospace, monospace" class="">...</font>"<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i class="">within</i><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>a list of custom arguments, like:<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;" class="">memberwise init(anInt: Int, ...,&nbsp;anotherInt: Int) {</span><br class=""><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;" class="">&nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>/*&nbsp;code using anInt and anotherInt&nbsp;*/</span><br class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">}</font></div></div></div></blockquote><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">It's been mentioned several times in the discussion of this proposal that this behavior is purely optional. If it turns out that there are rare cases where placing the memberwise params in the middle is useful, authors can use manual initialization.</div></div></div></span></div></div></blockquote><br class="">Hi Alex, thanks for your review. &nbsp;<br class=""><br class="">The initial draft of the proposal did exactly what you suggest - it did not include the placeholder and always placed the memberwise parameters last.&nbsp; Personally, I believe the placeholder adds clarity and really liked the idea when Chris suggested it. &nbsp;<br class=""><br class="">Aside from personal preference, I like that this proposal introduces a “synthesized parameter placeholder” syntax.&nbsp; Similar syntax will also be used in the parameter forwarding proposal mentioned in the future enhancements section of this proposal.<br class=""><br class="">I think the `…` works really well.&nbsp; That said, I don’t mind if people wish to bikeshed on it.&nbsp; If that discussion starts it is worth noting that one thing I like about the `…` is that it combines with an identifier cleanly.&nbsp; For example : `…memberwise`. &nbsp;<br class=""><br class="">Combining the placeholder with an identifier allows more than one placeholder to be used in the same parameter list.&nbsp; For example, if you are forwarding memberwise parameters exposed by a super init you might also have `…super`. &nbsp;<br class=""><br class="">That said, I don’t want the review thread to get distracted with discussions around general parameter forwarding so please just consider this as a preview of how this syntax might scale to future applications.&nbsp; For now, lets keep this thread focused on the review of the current proposal. &nbsp;:)<br class=""><br class="">Matthew<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font>On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir="ltr" class="">&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;</span><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>Hello Swift community,<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>The review of "Flexible Memberwise Initialization" begins now and runs through January 10th. The proposal is available here:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0018-flexible-memberwise-initialization.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0018-flexible-memberwise-initialization.md</a><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All reviews should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the review manager.<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>What goes into a review?<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of Swift. When writing your review, here are some questions you might want to answer in your review:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>* What is your evaluation of the proposal?<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>* Is the problem being addressed significant enough to warrant a change to Swift?<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>* Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift?<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>* If you have you used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>* How much effort did you put into your review? A glance, a quick reading, or an in-depth study?<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>More information about the Swift evolution process is available at<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/process.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/process.md</a><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>Thank you,<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>-Chris<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>Review Manager<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote>swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font>--&nbsp;<br class=""><font color="#12c00e" class=""><br class=""></font><b style="font-size: small;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(53, 217, 144);" class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class="">Alex Johnson</font></span><font color="#666666" class="">&nbsp;| Engineering Lead</font></b><br class=""><font color="#666666" size="2" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></font><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 14.9499998092651px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><a href="https://quickleft.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 204);" class=""><font class="">Quick Left, Inc.</font></a></b><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; white-space: pre-wrap; line-height: 1.15; font-size: small;" class=""><b class="">Boulder </b></span><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class=""><font color="#999999" class=""><b class="">|</b></font></span><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">&nbsp;</b><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Denver</b><font color="#999999" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class=""><b style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">&nbsp;</b><span style="font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class=""><b class="">|</b></span></font><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </b><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Portland</b><font color="#999999" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class="">|</span></b></font><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: small; line-height: 1.15; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> San Francisco</b><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class="">1 (844) QL-NERDS</span><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;" class="">@nonsensery</span><br class=""><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><br class="">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