<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Heh, one other thought. Pretty sure this was rejected by the switch statement but if keeping it concise for expressions is a goal then _ might make sense for the default case especially with this form. :-) <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);">let</span><font face="Menlo" class=""> fh = ?(</font><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">color,</span><font face="Menlo" class=""> .Red: </font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">0xFF0000 </font><font face="Menlo" color="#669c35" class="">// only one expression can be the result here so case is unnecessary.</font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class=""> </font><br class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Green:</span><span style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> </span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">0x00FF00</span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Blue:</span><span style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> </span><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">0x0000FF</span><br class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> _: <span class="" style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">0xFFFFFF</span>) <font color="#669c35" class="">// default is always last, unless all cases are handled.</font> </div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div><div>I agree with it being rejected for the statement form, but kinda makes sense here. </div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Paul Ossenbruggen <<a href="mailto:possen@gmail.com" class="">possen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The thing I don’t like is the repeated use of case. and default. This, I think makes the expression longer than it needs to be. For expressions it is not necessary because you only have one expression which returns one value, where as in a statement you have multiple statements following it, so it is necessary to separate the cases with the word “case”. I think trying to reduce clutter is important. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For example, statements have to deal with multiple statements per case. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">let</span> color = <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #4f8187" class="">Colors</span>.<span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">Red</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class="">// hello</div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">let</span> res : <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">switch<span style="" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #4f8187" class="">color</span><span style="" class=""> {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">case</span> .Red:</div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>res = <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0xFF0000</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>print(res) // case is necessary here to separate statement lists. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">case</span> .Green: </div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #4f8187" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>res</span> = <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0x00FF00</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>print(res)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #bb2ca2" class="">case</span> .Blue: </div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #4f8187" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>res</span> = <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0x0000FF</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>print(res)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">default<span style="" class="">:</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class=""><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #4f8187" class="">res</span><span style="" class=""> = </span>0xFFFFFF</div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is why I went down the path of trying to group it with parenthesis and optionally remove the word case. I know it may seem a little less like a "switch" but I think having to write out “case" over and over is not great when it does not serve the same purpose as it does in the statement form. So in the compact form: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span><font face="Menlo" class=""> fh = ?(</font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);" class="">color,</span><font face="Menlo" class=""> .Red: </font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">0xFF0000 </font><font face="Menlo" color="#669c35" class="">// only one expression can be the result here so case is unnecessary.</font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class=""> </font></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Green: <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0x00FF00</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Blue: <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0x0000FF</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> : <span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0xFFFFFF</span>) <font color="#669c35" class="">// default is always last, unless all cases are handled.</font> </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This seems more light and more and just as understandable as Thorsten's suggestion. (Note: I keep playing with the separators because the feedback was, my latest suggestions were not Swift like). Also, it is possible to drop the “case" in this structure and it can be read more like a function if desired. My suggestion also supported this form but its only advantage is that it looks more like a “switch", there may be value in that but I think conciseness and less clutter should win:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span> fh = ?(<span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 135);" class="">color, case</span> .Red: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0xFF0000</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> <span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 135);" class="">case</span> .Green: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0x00FF00</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> <span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 135);" class="">case</span> .Blue: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0x0000FF</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> <font color="#4f8187" class="">default</font>: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0xFFFFFF</span>)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not sure though if people don’t like having alternatives forms though.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think there is value in having a consistent way of doing index based as well as boolean based expressions as I have suggested in my proposal. I know that is a harder thing to push for but I think it is a win. I have backpedaled on some of my weirder character choices here so it more like the ternary. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span><font face="Menlo" class=""> fb = ?(pickOne, </font><font color="#d12f1b" face="Menlo" class="">“A",</font><font face="Menlo" class=""> </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"B"</span><font face="Menlo" class="">, </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"C"</span><font face="Menlo" class="">, </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"D"</span><font face="Menlo" class="">, </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"E"</span><font face="Menlo" class="">, </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"F"</span><font face="Menlo" class="">, </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"G</span><font face="Menlo" class=""><font color="#d12f1b" class="">”</font> : </font><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);" class="">"Z"</span><font face="Menlo" class="">)</font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> fe = ?(truthy == truth, </font><font color="#272ad8" class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">“unlikely</font></font><font class=""><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">” :</font><font face="Menlo" color="#008400" class=""> </font></font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">“likely"</font><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class="">)</font></div><div style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="">If you look at these suggestions above, I have only moved one ? added a comma, and added parenthesis to the ternary. I think these latest suggestions look more like Swift and more like the ternary than my last email.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If it is really preferred the control value could be moved outside the parens but I think it makes it harder to find the beginning and end of the ternary and it does not have the advantage of the function like feel to it:. </div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> fe = </font><span style="color: rgb(0, 132, 0); font-family: Menlo;" class="">truthy == truth </span><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class="">?(</font><font color="#272ad8" class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">“unlikely</font></font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">” :</font><font face="Menlo" color="#008400" class=""> </font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">“likely"</font><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class="">)</font></div></div><div class=""><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span> fh = <span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 135);" class="">color </span>?( .Red: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0xFF0000</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Green: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0x00FF00</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Blue: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0x0000FF</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> : <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0xFFFFFF</span>) </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">finally we could drop the parenthesis all together and the ternary is back in original form, which results in Thorsten’s suggestion minus the cases,</div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""> fe = </font><span style="color: rgb(0, 132, 0); font-family: Menlo;" class="">truthy == truth </span><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class="">? </font><font color="#272ad8" class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">“unlikely</font></font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">” :</font><font face="Menlo" color="#008400" class=""> </font><font color="#272ad8" face="Menlo" class="">“likely"</font></div></div></div><div class=""><font color="#008400" style="font-family: Menlo;" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(187, 44, 162);" class="">let</span> fh = <span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 135);" class="">color </span>? .Red: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0xFF0000</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Green: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0x00FF00</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> .Blue: <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0x0000FF</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""> : <span style="color: rgb(39, 42, 216);" class="">0xFFFFFF</span> </div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think the parenthesis and the control inside the construct really help and this may be hard to parse without the grouping the parenthesis provides. I don’t think we are that far apart though. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Paul </div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>