<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>What if selectors arguments could be imported into swift to take a closure instead ?&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This would fit into the proposal to rewrite the imported objective c Apis&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">So&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">- addAction:(Selector)action</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Becomes</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">addAction(action:(AnyObject)-&gt;Void)</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Instead of</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">addAction(action:String)&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Like it does now.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 29 Dec 2015, at 21:46, Joe Groff via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution &lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Jacob Bandes-Storch &lt;<a href="mailto:jtbandes@gmail.com" class="">jtbandes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">This is a neat idea. Here are some of my thoughts after initial readthrough:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- For symmetry with Obj-C code, how about using "@selector", such as @selector(UIView.`insertSubview(_:at:)`) ?</div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">@ means at-tribute in Swift, whereas this is a specific expression.&nbsp;</span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">- Or, why bother with a new expression? Could the compiler just do this automatically when it encounters an @objc function being passed as a Selector? So, you'd simply be able to say "let sel1: Selector = UIView.`frame.get`"</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It could, but I don't think it should: the operation is not common enough that making it implicit would reduce overall syntactic noise, and it would introduce ambiguities between selector- and closure-based APIs.&nbsp;</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Maybe we can make constructor-like "Selector(Class.method)" syntax work (and "Selector(getterFor:/setterFor: Class.property)" for property accessors) instead of introducing a new magic function name.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>-Joe</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">- Should the migrator offer to convert string-constant selectors to this form?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yes, absolutely.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">- It might be worth considering this in the context of the "type-safe selectors" idea that was floating around a while back.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yes, I should have referenced that. Apologies!</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">- Would it be valid to qualify a function with a subclass's name, when it's really only defined on the superclass? That is, would "objc_selector(MyView.`frame.get`)" work even if MyView doesn't override the `frame` property?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yes. MyView still has that property even if it doesn't override it.&nbsp;<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I could see this last one as a potential source of user confusion, because naming a particular class wouldn't actually tell you which implementation gets called when performing the selector (that's just the nature of the Obj-C runtime).</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>To some extent, that's the nature of overriding. But objective-c allows one to use a selector with an unrelated class, which can certainly be confusing. I feel like that comes from the runtime itself, and isn't something we can avoid with any syntax we pick.&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Jacob Bandes-Storch<br class=""></div></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir="ltr" class="">&lt;<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>&gt;</span><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">Currently, producing an Objective-C selector in Swift is an error-prone operation. One effectively just writes a string literal and uses it in a context where an ObjectiveC.Selector is expected:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; control.sendAction(“doSomething:”, to: target, forEvent: event)<br class=""><br class="">There are many points of failure here:<br class=""><br class="">1) The compiler doesn’t syntax-check at all to make sure it’s a valid spelling for a selector<br class="">2) The compiler doesn’t look for existing methods with this selector anywhere<br class="">3) The mapping from a Swift method name to an Objective-C selector isn’t always immediately obvious (especially for initializers), and will be getting significantly more complicated with the renaming work for Swift 3 (<a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0005-objective-c-name-translation.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0005-objective-c-name-translation.md</a>).<br class=""><br class="">I suggest that we add an expression ‘objc_selector(method-reference)` that produces the Objective-C selector for the named method, and produces an error if the method does not have an Objective-C entry point. For example:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; control.sendAction(objc_selector(MyApplication.doSomething), to: target, forEvent: event)<br class=""><br class="">“doSomething” is a method of MyApplication, which might even have a completely-unrelated name in Objective-C:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; extension MyApplication {<br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; @objc(jumpUpAndDown:)<br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; func doSomething(sender: AnyObject?) { … }<br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; }<br class=""><br class="">By naming the Swift method and having objc_selector do the work to form the Objective-C selector, we free the programming from having to do the naming translation manually and get static checking that the method exists and is exposed to Objective-C.<br class=""><br class="">This proposal composes with my “Generalized Naming for Any Function” proposal, which lets us name methods fully, including getters/setters:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; let sel1: Selector = objc_selector(UIView.`insertSubview(_:at:)`) // produces the Selector “insertSubview:atIndex:"<br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; let sel2: Selector = objc_selector(UIView.`frame.get`) // produces the Selector “frame"<br class=""><br class="">I don’t like the `objc_selector` syntax at all, but otherwise I think this functionality is straightforward.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Doug<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><img src="https://u2002410.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=RoDF4MveSEMYBIqIJA6ub1g8cOZ-2BVYvqV-2FqygPhjPn-2B3KzVLW654-2FDboW3qTcE-2B-2B7WEpWSIbw3IKoHs2reV0x29-2Fdc3MyFuUnyOPgxiY4UkdiZmeJtbzupWFKi5vfh7JTw68hhweJefoQ6YmQusE6f-2BDZZQQT5ac3pWoHj8NAqsWNLR6Fk24faJz3q3QEsekUfycgCoUFzBSlVC1iix3ZluF-2FvfuZB3bBzSYAGR0Slk-3D" alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; height: 1px !important; width: 1px !important; border-width: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">swift-evolution mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: n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