<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Dec 23, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Tino Heth <<a href="mailto:2th@gmx.de" class="">2th@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""></blockquote><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Imho it sounds good, but I rarely encounter situations where I would benefit from the proposed change…</span></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>It does happen in the Objective-C frameworks; the NSURL example I provided is an aggravatingly common one, but there are plenty others (particularly anything that begins with “get”). In C, of course, it’s all over the place.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It would be handy for third-party code, as well. I’m currently converting a class hierarchy from Obj-C to Swift that returns multiple values, but since this code still has to be interoperable with Obj-C (for now), I can’t move it to returning a tuple yet, and all these UnsafeMutablePointers are driving me *crazy*.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> and afair "out" is an Objective-C addition, so there would be no improvement for plain C.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">While that’s true, Apple could use the same sort of solution that they have done in many other places; just use #ifdef checks to #define some constant like NS_OUT to ‘out’ for Objective-C, and to an empty string otherwise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>