<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, ilya via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: AvenirNext-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">I prefer <br class=""><br class="">if let vc = someInterestingViewConroller {<br class=""> vc.doSomething()<br class="">}<br class=""><br class="">- Explicit is better than implicit<br class="">- shadowing is bad <br class="">- now there's no ambiguity about how to change the original property. <br class=""><br class="">Therefore I'm -1 on any proposal that hides explicit name binding and/or increases shadowing, including let foo and unwrap foo. <br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>+1 to that. IMO re-using the same name for the unwrapped version of an optional variable does not help readability, and I don't want to encourage it. In a localized context like this, a short name is often better anyway as it declutters the code inside the block.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: AvenirNext-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: AvenirNext-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 21:31 Kevin Wooten via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">As much fun as it to example with foo, I would argue the opposite when you use some real world variable names:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">if let someInterestingViewConroller =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">someInterestingViewConroller {</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">}</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">vs</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If let <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">someInterestingViewConroller {</span></div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We know what let does and it should be enough to impart the necessary information for this statement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When it comes to newcomers I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who'd be able to understand either form without teaching; so not losing much there.<br class=""><br class=""></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class="">On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Jeff Kelley via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class="">I’ve had similar ideas to this. Instead of ditching the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font face="Menlo" class="">if let</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>syntax altogether, another approach would be to use the existing name if no new name is given, so that this code:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>if let foo = foo { /* use foo */ }</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">could become this code:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>if let foo { /* use foo */ }</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In both cases,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font face="Menlo" class="">foo</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is non-optional inside the braces. If you gave it another name with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font face="Menlo" class="">if let</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>syntax, that would work as it does today.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Jeff,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is commonly requested - the problem is that while it does help reduce boilerplate, it runs counter to the goal of improving clarity.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris</div><br class=""><img src="https://u2002410.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=1Ry8ov4zuU66O51YNcjYWXuMGf2gObG8uPwoJz-2B4Z1VqMdeyeesw-2Bc9SDkZTEmLmnofSO3tNgiMGF47sxE879Ut5x-2F6sLSrTgmZhXJOq-2B59bEaSmJ0a44hp5limyi-2FpsrcKvySjRuPP0gLr6FoeZNJoisevK-2BimrVdnhvmWcLj69rx67MHqizgTcdJrprVSbV2f-2FkGqilX9aSsmL60yEZg-3D-3D" alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="min-height: 1px !important; width: 1px !important; border-width: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; 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