<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I agree with Radek. I find `for i in 5 { doSomething() }` or `for 5 { doSomething() }` to be very confusing since it is neither close to human language nor to any common programming language I know of.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I like the idea of giving students a step by step introduction into things, but this is IMO not the right way/place to do that.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">– Cihat</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 18.12.2015 um 22:26 schrieb Radosław Pietruszewski via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra">An obvious question is, should it be equivalent to 1...n, or 0..<n?</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that’s exactly why this isn’t a good idea. The semantics of `for i in 5` are not immediately clear at all.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If this was to be a language feature, `repeat 5`, suggested by Chris, seems like the least-ambiguous choice.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Dec 2015, at 22:09, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra">This can be done pretty easily, although I think the approach has the potential to cause confusion elsewhere in code. An obvious question is, should it be equivalent to 1...n, or 0..<n?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra">extension Int: SequenceType {</div><div class="gmail_extra"> public func generate() -> RangeGenerator<Int> {</div><div class="gmail_extra"> return (0..<self).generate()</div><div class="gmail_extra"> }</div><div class="gmail_extra">}</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra">for i in 5 {</div><div class="gmail_extra"> print("hello \(i)")</div><div class="gmail_extra">}</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Jacob Bandes-Storch<br class=""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Brent Royal-Gordon via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> I’d like to propose an addition of a useful method, especially for beginners that also makes Swift much more readable in some situations: The addition of a .times method to Integer type(s).<br class="">
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</span>I’ve said it before, but I don’t think `times` is a good solution for learners. It teaches them a form of looping they will never use in practice and does not allow them to practice with ancillary loop skills like `break` and `continue`.<br class="">
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I think our best bet is to extend the `for` loop to allow a single number, meaning either `1…n` or `0..<n` (you can argue it either way), and also to allow the `variableName in` part to be omitted, meaning `_ in`. This gives us the pedagogical simplicity of a “do this N times” loop, but couches it in a form where, when the student moves on, more commonly used loop forms are a straightforward extension of that simple case.<br class="">
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for 5 { print(“Hello!”) }<br class="">
for i in 5 { print(“Hello \(i)!”) }<br class="">
for i in 10..<20 { print(“Hello \(i)!”) }<br class="">
for i in 10...20 { print(“Hello \(i)!”) }<br class="">
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