<div dir="ltr">Also if someone forget's to reply all then their discussion is lost to the wider community ;)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Rainer Brockerhoff via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 12/15/15 09:50, <a href="mailto:swift-evolution-request@swift.org">swift-evolution-request@swift.org</a> wrote:<br>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:44:49 -0800<br>
> From: Chris Lattner <<a href="mailto:clattner@apple.com">clattner@apple.com</a>><br>
> To: Jacob Bandes-Storch <<a href="mailto:jtbandes@gmail.com">jtbandes@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [swift-evolution] Mailman?<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:B1869941-D495-4F41-9E4A-C71B6D9BB9A9@apple.com">B1869941-D495-4F41-9E4A-C71B6D9BB9A9@apple.com</a>><br>
><br>
>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via<br>
>>> swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Another point that hasn't come up so far: inclusivity. I think<br>
<span class="">>>> making the discussion groups more easily accessible, and<br>
>>> indexable/searchable, would do a great deal towards this goal.<br>
>>> We should strive to include people who don't live in their email<br>
>>> clients, and even people who want to contribute anonymously.<br>
>>> (Clearly, there are enough people who *do* want to use email<br>
>>> that it's important to make sure any proposed solution has good<br>
>>> support for email notifications.)<br>
><br>
> I don’t understand this argument. Email is a pervasive standard,<br>
> mailman provides an index, and gmane provides an even better one.<br>
> How would a web app be “more inclusive" than using something that has<br>
> been standard for "a long time” and has tons of tools that work with<br>
> it?<br>
<br>
</span>I'd like to point out that for a list like swift-evolution even the<br>
digest traffic is relatively large; I see 3-5 digests every day.<br>
<br>
While subscribing to the non-digest version would really be much more in<br>
terms of messages, the fundamental positive aspect is that everything is<br>
stored and readable off-line.<br>
<br>
The (to me, huge) downside of the existing (and old) swift forums is<br>
that you depend on constant connectivity and even have to check the<br>
index page every day, or more, to make sure you don't miss some<br>
important discussion. (I suppose that also applies to subscribing on<br>
github, which I've never tried.)<br>
<br>
The downside of Mailman seems to be the difficulty of threading when<br>
responding to a digest (I'm now trying to include the MessageID in the<br>
quote, maybe that works?) as well as the unwieldy mixture of top- and<br>
bottom-quoting and endless requoting of the mailing list footer.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
Rainer Brockerhoff <<a href="mailto:rainer@brockerhoff.net">rainer@brockerhoff.net</a>><br>
Belo Horizonte, Brazil<br>
"In the affairs of others even fools are wise<br>
In their own business even sages err."<br>
<a href="http://brockerhoff.net/blog/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://brockerhoff.net/blog/</a><br>
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