<div dir="ltr">@Jordan I might slowly be convincing myself that initialization behavior is correct, though. For example, this feels right:<div><br></div><div><div> class Foo {</div><div> required func foo() {</div><div> </div><div> }</div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div> class Bar: Foo {</div><div> required func foo(bar: Bar) {</div><div> super.foo()</div><div> }</div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div>This, however, feels less right:</div><div><br></div><div> class Foo {</div><div> required func foo(string: String) {</div><div> </div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div> required func foo(url: NSURL) {</div><div> </div><div> }</div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div> class Bar: Foo {</div><div> override required func foo(string: String) {</div><div> super.foo(url: NSURL(string: string)!)</div><div> }</div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div>But regardless, I'm having trouble coming up with a better keyword.</div><div><div><div><p class="p1"><span class="s4">fo</span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:03 PM T.J. Usiyan <<a href="mailto:griotspeak@gmail.com">griotspeak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1<div><br></div><div>I thought that there must have been some reason not to include it that I hadn't considered when it wasn't in Swift 1.0. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Jordan Rose via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>My hesitation about "required" is that required initializers don't have to call the <i>same</i> initializer, which is something that NS_REQUIRES_SUPER <i>does</i> enforce. (In fact, this new attribute could very well apply to required initializers as well: if you implement this initializer, you must chain to the same initializer. I'm not quite sure when that would come up, but it's potentially useful.)</div><div><br></div><div>Jordan</div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:56 , Ian Ynda-Hummel via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr">+1 for this if for nothing else but UIKit classes yelling at me to call super.viewDidLoad().<div><br></div><div>I think using the required keyword makes sense. The one possible caveat is overloading, as my knee jerk reaction is that methods of the same name would behave like initializers. So a method overriding a required method would have to call a required method of the same name on the superclass if one exists. I'm not convinced that's correct, though.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:40 PM Marc Knaup via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">"required" also doesn't mean that a subclass has to implement the required initializer since it can be inherited.<div>Your example is an abstract function which should have it's own keyword (if we ever get abstract functions).<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Vester Gottfried <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vester.gottfried@gmail.com" target="_blank">vester.gottfried@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think reusing required would send the wrong message. Required would mean for me something like NSOperation subclasses maybe require to have a main() function, but that doesn't mean you have to call super. On the contrary, the documentation of NSOperation main() explicitly states not to call super. </div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Marc Knaup <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@knaup.koeln" target="_blank">marc@knaup.koeln</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">What about re-using the "required" keyword in the superclass which already means something similar for initializers?<div>Subclass implementations are required to call super's implementation.<br><div>If a subclass doesn't implemented the required method it could mean that it inherits the behavior from the superclass - just like initializers can be inherited too.</div></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Jordan Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jordan_rose@apple.com" target="_blank">jordan_rose@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>+1 from me. FWIW, the Objective-C one is syntactic.</div><div><br></div><div>Information from Radar: the request for this is <a>rdar://problem/17408107</a> (plus a few duplicates). One of the dups suggests a variation where a subclass method can be declared as "refine" instead of "override" so that you can document that your <i>own</i> method is expected to call super. In this model, "@requires_super" could become something like "imposed". I personally think this doesn't add enough, especially since we wouldn't be publishing refine-vs-override in a library's public interface.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Jordan</div></font></span><div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 16, 2015, at 9:49 , Marc Knaup via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Sounds reasonable since even the best flow analysis cannot ensure that all codepaths call the super implementation.<div><br></div><div>Some more edge cases:</div><div><ul><li>Calling super asynchronously by using it in a closure</li><li>Referring to the super implementation by assign it to a variable and call it later (is that really possible? never did that)</li></ul></div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Vester Gottfried<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vester.gottfried@gmail.com" target="_blank">vester.gottfried@gmail.com</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I would suggest that @requires_super only checks if a call to super is present at all. More detailed behaviour should be part of the functions documentation, because I think all possibilities cannot be checked easily by the compiler. For example a call to super my be required to happen early or late inside the function. But when too early or too late is can probably not been forseen by the compiler.</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Marc Knaup<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@knaup.koeln" target="_blank">marc@knaup.koeln</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 always had such issues with UIViewController's lifecycle methods.<div><br></div><div>But edge cases need to be considered like "throws" for example.</div><div>Do I need to call super before I throw something?</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">+1 to this. Anything that helps ensure inheritance is thought through carefully and used correctly is a win.<div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Vester Gottfried via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Some class based libraries/frameworks expect the consumer to subclass certain classes and override specific method and require that the super implementation of an overridden method is being called.</div><div><br></div><div>Not calling the super implementation is a common source of bugs that may be prevented if the compiler checks if super is called, like it does in some cases of init().</div><div><br></div><div>Example:<br></div><div><br></div><div>class Box {</div><div> @requires_super<br></div><div> <span> </span>func addStuff() { ... }</div><div>}<br></div><div><br></div><div>Overriding class Box's addStuff without calling super.addStuff() should result in an error</div><div><br></div><div>class Chest : Box {</div><div> <span> </span>override addStuff() {<br></div><div> // ERROR: addStuff() requires call to super.addStuff()</div><div> <span> </span>...</div><div> <span> </span>}</div><div>}<br></div><div><br></div><div>Objective-C developers know this as NS_REQUIRES_SUPER and I think its worth thinking about adapting it.</div><div><div><br></div><div>I hope my proposal was clear and thanks for reading,</div><div><br></div></div><div>Gottfried</div></div></div></div><img src="https://u2002410.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=eLFMrKDT8iBxZ-2Fbnk-2BZqvSchNN-2FvYXdceA0T7VxwkAfetdXVtelgzCfab-2Fp92fvLNUbxvC5Ukh9mTRYtT7oZ-2BzUDHQ-2FkLVfwWHuXGWvz7iaXCPo1KAcjPGxoZUQTW8DMleErzJnIt-2FRMb1-2FEM1WN-2BscY0xmKk-2BmXO16SS-2BCT9-2B7dgbk1nlmgpvH5cNha2dTvKe3-2FSntENn88F21K4ayGJlZuPediCmd1qI2SGJLz5ZQ-3D" alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" 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