<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Something more ergonomic than mailing lists would be nice, but -1 for GitHub. Keep the SNR high.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Austin<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 15, 2015, at 3:48 AM, Ilya Belenkiy via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+1 for using GitHub for discussions. Nobody from Apple is listening right now, but maybe they will consider it later.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—</div><div class="">Ilya Belenkiy<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 15, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Rudolf Adamkovič via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">+Int.max for using GitHub instead of this mess.</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">R+<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 Dec 2015, at 08:46, Chris Aljoudi via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Dec 15, 2015, at 12:25 AM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Chris Lattner<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:clattner@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">clattner@apple.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><span class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Another point that hasn't come up so far: inclusivity.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Quoting the Code of Conduct section from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://swift.org/community/" target="_blank" class="">https://swift.org/community/</a>:<div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">A diverse and friendly community will have more great ideas, more unique perspectives, and produce more great code. We will work diligently to make the Swift community welcoming to everyone.</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think making the discussion groups more easily accessible, and indexable/searchable, would do a great deal towards this goal. We should strive to include people who don't live in their email clients, and even people who want to contribute anonymously.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Clearly, there are enough people who *do* want to use email that it's important to make sure any proposed solution has good support for email notifications.)</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></span><div class="">I don’t understand this argument. Email is a pervasive standard, mailman provides an index, and gmane provides an even better one. How would a web app be “more inclusive" than using something that has been standard for "a long time” and has tons of tools that work with it?</div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris</div></font></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm speculating here, and hopefully not just putting my foot in my mouth. I'm not aware of what actual research has been done regarding diversity & online communities — if someone is, please chime in. If I'm totally wrong, apologies.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are a couple things I'd guess are beneficial:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Easier signup; easier anonymity (authentication provided by a number of common external services; no need for exposing an email address)</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">For what it's worth, I think having an email address being sufficient vastly lowers the friction of getting involved.</span><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">The idea of "yet another account" (or pseudo-account) with yet another, separate interface for checking and keeping up with communication just seems like extra cumber in my opinion, and I humbly fail to conceive of any reason it'd make anyone's life easier.</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; 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font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra">- Better support for moderation (you can't take back emails)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra">Jacob</div></div><img src="https://u2002410.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=-2BPPYzd87qq10IXJQDD0DU7hLYSZzOjz-2B8X5fKFs8bnPMG4OMkiUIwO0XoTetvaeISPHuV-2FluMfyb8VJuy0WgFDN4ZQ1rU5-2BQ1LoWev-2FUYKmdJhGvu8SKSvTlis4-2Fj4oPy4j1a-2FvbTVzc0cPUWAXWTzuJOztY4IWoJ5ny7ZABc55K6ZLsakvbzyueMot71DSxEvCDBLlVlDUwUpON4WEFB0f-2FZ6TeLHZbfv3Y3TKQ3Vc-3D" alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" class="" style="height: 1px !important; 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