<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>On Dec 15, 2015, at 12:25 AM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Chris Lattner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clattner@apple.com" target="_blank">clattner@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Another point that hasn't come up so far: inclusivity.<div><br></div><div>Quoting the Code of Conduct section from <a href="https://swift.org/community/" target="_blank">https://swift.org/community/</a>:<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">A diverse and friendly community will have more great ideas, more unique perspectives, and produce more great code. We will work diligently to make the Swift community welcoming to everyone.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think making the discussion groups more easily accessible, and indexable/searchable, would do a great deal towards this goal. We should strive to include people who don't live in their email clients, and even people who want to contribute anonymously.</div><div><br></div><div>(Clearly, there are enough people who *do* want to use email that it's important to make sure any proposed solution has good support for email notifications.)</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></span><div>I don’t understand this argument. Email is a pervasive standard, mailman provides an index, and gmane provides an even better one. How would a web app be “more inclusive" than using something that has been standard for "a long time” and has tons of tools that work with it?</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Chris</div></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm speculating here, and hopefully not just putting my foot in my mouth. I'm not aware of what actual research has been done regarding diversity & online communities — if someone is, please chime in. If I'm totally wrong, apologies.</div><div><br></div><div>There are a couple things I'd guess are beneficial:</div><div><br></div><div>- Easier signup; easier anonymity (authentication provided by a number of common external services; no need for exposing an email address)</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>For what it's worth, I think having an email address being sufficient vastly lowers the friction of getting involved.<div><br></div><div>The idea of "yet another account" (or pseudo-account) with yet another, separate interface for checking and keeping up with communication just seems like extra cumber in my opinion, and I humbly fail to conceive of any reason it'd make anyone's life easier.</div><div><br></div><div>-Chris</div><div><a href="https://chrismatic.io/">https://chrismatic.io/</a></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">- Better support for moderation (you can't take back emails)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Jacob</div></div>
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