<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Completely agree. For those of us who work largely in Slack, getting more emails is a disruption to workflow, not an improvement. I (and I'm sure many others) have just taken it as the price of entrance to be a part of this community, but it definitely doesn't support the stated goals of inclusivity.</div><div><br></div><div>Like others have said, though, selecting an alternative would pose difficulties. For example, making sure emails are sent promptly for those who want them (even at scale), and OTOH ensuring that the site/platform/app is reliable and simple enough to be used stand-alone. That said, I think it's worth the discussion- and the switch if we find something suitable.</div><div><br></div><div>Liam </div><div><br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch <<a href="mailto:jtbandes@gmail.com">jtbandes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Another point that hasn't come up so far: inclusivity.<div><br></div><div>Quoting the Code of Conduct section from <a href="https://swift.org/community/">https://swift.org/community/</a>:<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">A diverse and friendly community will have more great ideas, more unique perspectives, and produce more great code. We will work diligently to make the Swift community welcoming to everyone.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think making the discussion groups more easily accessible, and indexable/searchable, would do a great deal towards this goal. We should strive to include people who don't live in their email clients, and even people who want to contribute anonymously.</div><div><br></div><div>(Clearly, there are enough people who *do* want to use email that it's important to make sure any proposed solution has good support for email notifications.)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Jacob<br></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Arthur Ariel Sabintsev via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I started using Inbox by Gmail so that I could have an extended ruleset around Swift Evolution emails. It's made it somewhat more palatable.<div><br></div><div>+1 for moving off mailing lists to something easier.<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:38 AM Liam Butler-Lawrence via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>I’ve been tempted to make an app for this many times. If we only read email on the Mac I could handle it, but iOS doesn’t support rule-based mailboxes, and “smart” third-party apps like Spark just make everything more frustrating with this many messages.</div><div><br></div><div>I love the opportunity to participate in this process, but it would be a far better experience on a platform that actually was built for this kind of thing. (issue tracker, discussion board, etc.. Definitely +1 for not using a mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Addendum: if you have multiple email addresses like I do, Mail always seems to select the wrong one. If you don’t catch it your post goes into “pending review” forever. Happens almost every time for me.</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 14, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Eugene Gubin via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">+1 for not using a mailing list<br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-14 19:08 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Allured via swift-evolution<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">+1<div><br></div><div>I had the exact same idea Thorsten. I would love to get this flood of email managed so I don’t feel bad every time I see Mail's unread count. :D<div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Thorsten Seitz via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">+1 for not using a mailing list. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Staying on top of the mail flood is really difficult because I cannot simply ignore topics I'm not interested in or rank topics etc. I've even started to think about writing an App to accomplish this on top of the mails but moving to something better than a mailing list would be better.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">-Thorsten </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>Am 14.12.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Marc Knaup via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div dir="ltr">+1 for not using a mailing list.<div><br></div><div>Btw how would you post a response to an old discussion you have never received an email for?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Dennis Lysenko via swift-evolution<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">+1 to moving to an issue tracker, James. I've kept a lid on it so far but I know I am going to lose track of all these emails flooding in at some ponder.<span> </span></p><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015, 5:25 AM James Campbell via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr">+ 10,000 for this</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Andrey Tarantsov via swift-evolution<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Something you've obviously thought about already, but still: wouldn't GitHub issue & pull request discussions be an obvious choice?</blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><div><div>_______________________________________________<br>swift-evolution mailing list<br><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>--<span> </span><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:16px;line-height:19.2px"></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> Wizard</span><br></div><div><a href="mailto:james@supmenow.com" target="_blank">james@supmenow.com</a></div><div><a href="tel:%2B44%207523%20279%20698" value="+447523279698" target="_blank">+44 7523 279 698</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><img src="https://u2002410.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=8CZIdLciSFC-2BO5jF-2FiP8qN7dBFsgCUZ50wdTsolcRPcS6GLFkCbJbsAs75omEonOrUvkZm4-2B8ThvENnn0M8WvsFjs74YL03GJpSJXqURXCls1D567ZrPhBtux3zk3enEXquC5Zws6jKoPHArdCX3V91IqNGJA7VZi3-2FJpFf9LKZWIKU-2BIhRMGZcSNHty9I5fuiuUHgyUKTFSmmVommbewABWJ0-2BF01AuJXH4MaELTMk-3D" alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="min-height: 1px !important; 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