<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If you implemented it the same way. For me if we just had a unless which was the opposite an if it would be a better syntax than guard.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 14 Dec 2015, at 11:53, Etan Kissling <<a href="mailto:kissling@oberon.ch">kissling@oberon.ch</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">Sorry, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">return unless(username.text.characters.count > 0) {<br class=""> return nil<br class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="">}</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Dec 2015, at 12:53, Etan Kissling <<a href="mailto:kissling@oberon.ch" class="">kissling@oberon.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It's not the same, OP wants to return nil.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So you have to write </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">return unless(username.text.characters.count > 0) {</div><div class=""> return</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and if you miss the first return, you just introduced a bug.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Etan</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Dec 2015, at 18:17, James Campbell via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">So <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><pre class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 5px; border: 0px; font-size: 13px; overflow: auto; width: auto; max-height: 600px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; color: rgb(57, 51, 24); word-wrap: normal; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);"><code style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; white-space: inherit;" class=""><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">guard username</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">.</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">text</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">.</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">characters</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">.</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">count </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">></span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;"> </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; color: rgb(128, 0, 0);">0</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;"> </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 139);">else</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;"> </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">{</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">
</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 139);">return</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">
</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">}</span></code></pre><pre class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 5px; border: 0px; font-size: 13px; overflow: auto; width: auto; max-height: 600px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; word-wrap: normal;"><font class="">could be expressed as </font></pre><pre class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 5px; border: 0px; font-size: 13px; overflow: auto; width: auto; max-height: 600px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; word-wrap: normal;"><pre class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 5px; border: 0px; overflow: auto; width: auto; max-height: 600px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; color: rgb(57, 51, 24); word-wrap: normal; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);"><code style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; white-space: inherit;" class=""><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">unless(username</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">.</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">text</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">.</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">characters</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">.</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">count </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">></span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;"> </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; color: rgb(128, 0, 0);">0) </span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">{</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">
</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 139);">return</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">
</span><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">}</span></code></pre><pre class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 5px; border: 0px; overflow: auto; width: auto; max-height: 600px; font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, 'Lucida Console', 'Liberation Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace, sans-serif; word-wrap: normal;"><font class="">I think the second is much easier to read :)</font></pre></pre></div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Al Skipp via swift-evolution<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class="">Top marks!<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">unless(condition) { print("condition was false") }</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The feature implemented in the language. What’s not to like?</div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Dec 2015, at 16:20, Tommy van der Vorst via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="">Oops, that should be just:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">public func unless(expression: Bool, block: () -> ()) {<br class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>if !expression {<br class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>block()<br class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>}<br class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="">}</div></div></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Op 12 dec. 2015, om 17:17 heeft Tommy van der Vorst via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="">Or, use something like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">public func unless(expression: @autoclosure () -> Bool, block: () -> ()) {</div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>if !expression {</div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>block()</div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>}</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">unless(..expression..) { </div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>...code...</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">/T</div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Op 12 dec. 2015, om 17:08 heeft Al Skipp via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><div class="">If at all possible I think it’s best to avoid adding keywords to the language. Instead of ‘unless', you could do: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">public func not(bool: Bool) -> Bool { return !bool }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">if not(condition) { print("condition was false") }</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class="">Not terrible ¯\_(ツ)_/¯</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Dec 2015, at 15:48, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I’m not sure about the single line aspect of this proposal, but I am a big proponent of “unless” and “until” as complements to “if” and “while”. They greatly improve readability over "if !(expression)” and “while !(expression)” IMHO.</span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 12, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Arthur Ariel Sabintsev via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">For your specific example, I'd 100% use the guard statement. It achieves the same result.<br class=""><br class="">-1 from me.<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM J. Cheyo Jimenez via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class="">-1 from me. I think I would rather have an if-then expression that would handle both False and True cases. <div class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20151207/001944.html" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20151207/001944.html</a><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, in most cases I feel that guard would be a better choice. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 5:39 AM, James Campbell via swift-evolution<span class=""> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span><span class=""> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">I propose adding the unless and if statements from ruby.<br class=""><br class="">Return false if james = nil<br class=""><br class="">This returns false if the variable James is nil<br class="">. 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