<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I too hope that the proposal to remove C-style loops is rejected. Yes, they aren't that necessary any more, but if we want Swift to compete with Java, C#, C++ and C, there is no reason to remove basic features like C-style loops just because they are politically incorrect. If there was a functional reason, I might get on board with removing it, but there isn't.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I also hope that the decision to remove increment and decrement operators is reversed using the same logic. Just because *you* don't like something that has been a feature of dozens of programming languages for 40 years doesn't mean removing that feature is a good idea. One man's goto statement is another man's Leatherman multi-tool. And FWIW, if C-style loops stay in the language, they become much more ugly without increment and decrement.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Don Wills</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 6, 2015, at 8:33 AM, inbox only via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">True,even that a feature isn't used doesn't mean that you need to remove that feature.<div class="">I hope that the proposal will be rejected.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-06 12:03 GMT+02:00 Clemens Wagner via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> We’ve developed a number of Swift apps for various clients over the past year and have not needed C style for loops either.<br class="">
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But I think this is a very weak reason for *removing* any portion like C-loops and increment or decrement operators of a programming language. How about the developers and the productive code which used C-style loops already?<br class="">
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I understand the reasons why you, Erica and the others don’t like C-style loops. But changing the philosophy of a productive programming language is a very bad idea.<br class="">
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Clemens<br class="">
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