[swift-evolution] [Review] SE-0176: Enforce Exclusive Access to Memory
Jean-Daniel
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Sun May 7 06:01:49 CDT 2017
> Le 7 mai 2017 à 03:54, Paul Cantrell via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> a écrit :
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>> On May 6, 2017, at 12:36 PM, John McCall via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
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>>> On May 6, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Félix Cloutier via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
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>>> Concern: `swap` is quoted a lot for a method that would break under this rule, but as it happens, `swap` with the same value on both sides is (should be) a no-op. Is there a way to not trip the static or dynamic checkers in well-defined cases like that one? Is there any way to check that two inout parameters refer to the same value?
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>> The only reasonable way to do this is statically, and why would you call 'swap' statically with the same l-value for both arguments?
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> When static analysis can determine that a swap is always a noop, I can’t see any reason not to flag it as an error.
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> But Félix’s question was also about the runtime case. And he has a good point.
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> Here’s a compelling example where allowing the noop swap would make sense:
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> extension Array {
> mutating func shuffle() {
> for i in indices {
> let j = i + Int(arc4random_uniform(UInt32(count - i)))
> swap(&self[i], &self[j])
> }
> }
> }
>
Isn’t this issue already solved by the introduction of swapAt ?
> In this code:
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> It’s necessary to allow j to sometimes equal i to get a uniform distribution of random permutations.
> Static analysis can’t determine that the noop occurs sometimes but not always.
> Adding a check for i == j adds a branch condition to a tight loop. More importantly, it’s easy to forget this check since static analysis won’t flag it. It’s just a hidden land mine, which seems contrary to Swift’s “safety first” aesthetic.
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> Putting all that together, it would probably be more Swift-like to have swap() be safe, and if necessary add an unsafeSwap() func that fails on the noop case and thus avoids the cost of the check in optimized code.
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> Note that the code above fails even under Swift 3, which explicitly disallows swapping with a runtime check (“fatal error: swapping a location with itself is not supported”). So nothing here to undermine the SE-0176; the proposal isn’t introducing a problem that doesn’t already exist.
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> Cheers, P
>
>
>> John.
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>>>> Le 2 mai 2017 à 13:07, Ben Cohen via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> a écrit :
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>>>> Hello Swift community,
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>>>> The review of SE-0176: "Enforce Exclusive Access to Memory" begins now and runs through May 8, 2017.
>>>>
>>>> The proposal is available here:
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>>>> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md <https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md>
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