[swift-evolution] [Accepted] SE-0166: Swift Archival & Serialization

Wed Apr 26 16:00:16 CDT 2017

Hello Itai,

Sorry for the confusion, but I understood that the following

> To answer your second question, the reason is that using the protocol implies that all encoders and decoders must support anything that conforms to that protocol. We’re not sure this is a reasonable requirement. Many formats do not have any kind of support for arbitrary size integers, for example. Therefore, we felt it was best to limit it to a set of concrete types.

meant it would actually hinder that kind of transformation or make it more difficult to write custom decoders and encoders. Sorry if I misunderstood that.

One follow up question: what would happen if inside the JSON mock object you posted I were to remove the 'address' key (in terms of the produced object and how to access its inner properties)? 

What would happen if I remove the 'name' one or better if I add another key to the JSON object?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Apr 2017, at 21:28, Itai Ferber <iferber at apple.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Goffredo,
> 
> Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean here, this is exactly what we're proposing with the API — anything Encodable can encode any type that is Encodable as a nested value:
> 
> struct Person : Codable {
>     let name: String
>     let address: Address
> }
> 
> struct Address : Codable {
>     let street: String
>     let city: String
>     let state: String
>     let zipCode: Int
>     let country: String
> }
> 
> let address = Address(street: "1 Infinite Loop", city: "Cupertino", state: "CA", zipCode: 95014, country: "United States")
> let person = Person(name: "John Doe", address: address)
> 
> let encoder = JSONEncoder()
> let payload = try encoder.encode(person)
> print(String(data: payload, encoding: .utf8)!) // => {"name": "John Doe", address: {"street": "1 Infinite Loop", ... } }
> 
> let decoder = JSONDecoder()
> let decoded = try decoder.decode(Person.self, from: payload) // => Person(name: "John Doe", address: ...)
> Or have I misunderstood you?
> 
> — Itai
> 
> On 26 Apr 2017, at 13:11, Goffredo Marocchi via swift-evolution wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2017, at 17:24, Tony Parker via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Riley,
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 6:11 PM, Riley Testut via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m sure this has already been discussed, but why are the methods throwing NSErrors and not Enums? If I’m remembering correctly, the original reason for this was because this was meant to be a part of Foundation. Now that this is in the Standard Library, however, it seems strange that we’re still using NSError.
>>> 
>>> Second question that again I’m sure was asked and answered already, but: why do we require implementations for each concrete numeric type (Int, Int8, Int16, Float, etc), instead of using protocols (such as the new Integer protocols)?
>> 
>> To answer your second question, the reason is that using the protocol implies that all encoders and decoders must support anything that conforms to that protocol.
> 
> Would this make it easier to transform nested JSON into a nested object/struct? If so it could be useful, very useful.
> 
>> We’re not sure this is a reasonable requirement. Many formats do not have any kind of support for arbitrary size integers, for example. Therefore, we felt it was best to limit it to a set of concrete types.
>> 
> 
> I honk we would be missing a trick, unless I am missing something here, that was very powerful in libraries like Mantle for iOS: the ability to translate a nested JSON object (some keys in the JSON object having a JSON object as value, etc...) in an MTLModel subclass composed of other MTLModel subclasses where doing the transformation of the root object would call the right model needed to transform for the child JSON objects.
> Working with Mantle is safe, rugged (it does not cause crashes if the JSON file changes), and allows you to break the problem into chunks and present a coherent simple view to the code that makes use of the instance you created out of the JSON input. Reference: https://github.com/Mantle/Mantle/blob/master/README.md
> 
> 
>> We could change our minds on this before we ship Swift 4, if we feel it was the wrong decision. Now that the proposals are accepted we will be landing these branches in master soon, which means everyone has a great chance to try it out and see how it feels in real world usage before it’s final.
>> 
>> - Tony
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Proposal Link: https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0166-swift-archival-serialization.md
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Swift Community,
>>>> 
>>>> The review of SE-0166 “Swift Archival & Serialization” ran from April 6...12, 2017. The proposal is accepted with some minor modifications. Specifically, the core protocols and types will be sunk down into the Swift standard library for more tight integration with the Swift language and compiler, and the operations specifically involving Foundation’s “Data” type will be removed. The proposal document has been updated with more detail. Thank you everyone for participating in this review!
>>>> 
>>>> 	- Doug
>>>> 	Review Manager
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