[swift-evolution] [Review #2] SE-0161: Smart KeyPaths: Better Key-Value Coding for Swift

[Harlan Haskins]

+1 for using ::

It’s got precedence in many other languages (C++, Java 8+, Kotlin) to reference static methods, and it’s sufficiently different enough from `.` to avoid confusing people.

While I personally resist letting C++ influence Swift syntactically, this makes a lot of sense to me.

— Harlan

> On Apr 5, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Tony Allevato via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
> Hello Swift community,
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> The second review of SE-0161 "Smart KeyPaths: Better Key-Value Coding for Swift" begins now and runs through April 9, 2017. The revised proposal is available here:
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> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0161-key-paths.md <https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0161-key-paths.md>
> The core team’s feedback from the first review of this proposal can be viewed at:
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> Full on +1 now. Thank you for reverting the heavy syntax from the previous revision. This makes the feature much more usable, and the future alignment with unbound function references will be welcome in terms of consistency.
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> I guess I'll throw out my own color for the shed:  Was :: already considered as well? It at least has some precedent in C++ and later Java for similar purposes, and it's not currently an operator in the language. We could have:
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>     Person.foo // a reference to Person's static property foo
>     Person::foo // a keypath to Person's instance property foo
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> Then, for SE-0042:
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>     Person::someFunction // a function reference of type (Person, ...other args...) -> Result 
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> But that might make the implied case look strange. Would we have to have this?
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>     print(luke[keyPath: ::.friends[0].name])
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> Without the period after the "::", it's inconsistent with other type inference sites, but with it, it's kind of ugly.
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> That being said, if the backslash ends up being the operator of record for this feature because other options would be poor choices for other reasons, I'm ok with that.
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> My feedback on the rest of the proposal review bullets is the same as before; I won't repeat it here.
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