[swift-evolution] [Review] SE-0159: Fix Private Access Levels

Xiaodi Wu xiaodi.wu at gmail.com
Fri Mar 24 06:11:03 CDT 2017

`scoped` was the name originally proposed in SE-0025, changed by the core
team on acceptance to `private`, and `file` was one of the suggestions for
what used to be called `private`; I remember because I suggested it too; it
was renamed to `fileprivate` after consideration of this alternative.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Vinnie Hesener via swift-evolution <
swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

> This discussion escalated real quickly. There are some very bright minds
> in the mud right now, but I think there may still be a way to salvage this
> discussion.
> Chris talked about there being two layers to Swift... the easy mode for
> adoption and outreach, then the advanced mode for taking over the world.
> This requires a delicate balance of features vs usability (e.g. MS Paint vs
> Photoshop). There are various ways to approach that balance, but they
> almost always require creativity and cooperation from the smartest guys in
> the room.
> I'm not one of those guys, but let me throw out some food for thought. Is
> there a way to not only please both generalized arguments, but also solve
> the root of the problem? For instance, has anyone thought about why we even
> call things public, private, etc? Other than their initial meaning, the
> answer may be "other languages do it" or even better "that is what prevents
> confusion and dupe questions on stackoverflow". Fair enough.
> I realize this would be jolting for most, but would anyone be asking the
> stackoverflow ether what a **scope** var was? How about a **file** func?
> How about a SO title: "What does **module** let myVar refer to?"
> Don't we have the opportunity to offer, within reason, a large set of
> accessors that are self explanatory? I think it may solve the complexity
> for usefulness exchange because they are simply there for the advanced
> users that want to use them. There's no choosing for newbs because the
> choice is in the name, assuming we name them pristinely (I have faith!).
> I'm also a little cooky too, but maybe this can spark some creativity in a
> more wholistic solution for both sides.
> > Hello Swift community,
> >
> > The review of SE-0159 "Fix Private Access Levels" begins now and runs
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