[swift-evolution] [Draft] Fix Private Access Levels

Matthew Johnson matthew at anandabits.com
Wed Feb 22 09:33:37 CST 2017


> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:32 AM, David Hart <david at hartbit.com> wrote:
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>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 23:41, Xiaodi Wu <xiaodi.wu at gmail.com <mailto:xiaodi.wu at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Well-written as-is.
>> 
>> Overall, my feedback is that solution 2 should not be on the table (though there are people who clamor for it), and not because I don't agree with it. However, simply as a matter of following an appropriate process, solution 2 was originally proposed in SE-0025, fully considered, and modified by the core team to the current design. One can disagree whether `scoped` is more appropriate than `private` as a name for that access modifier, and one is likely to say that `private` looks nicer than `fileprivate`, but that's neither here nor there. The appropriateness or niceness of these terms is unchanged from last year. Re-submitting SE-0025 cannot be the solution for fixing SE-0025.
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> I agree with you, as you know that I support Solution 1. But I was hoping to reduce the amount of community flamewar by giving each alternative a level chance and letting the core team decide. But you make a good point about the fact that it was the state SE-0025 was it before it was modified by the core team. And I’m starting to have doubts. What do you think Matthew?

I’d like to let the submodule discussion simmer a little bit more before commenting on this question.  The outcome of that could have a significant impact on what I think we should do about SE-0025.  When we put this proposal together I was assuming submodules were going to be out of scope for Swift 4, but it looks like at least the discussion is not.  Even if we don’t end up with a formal review of a submodule proposal the discussion might lead to a better idea of what kind of proposal might have a chance to be accepted in the future (by gauging community sentiment in the discussions, etc).

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>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:58 AM, David Hart <david at hartbit.com <mailto:david at hartbit.com>> wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> 
>> Matthew Johnson and I have been putting our proposals together towards a joint “let’s fix private access levels” proposal. As the community seems quite divided on the issue, we offer two solutions in our proposal to let the community debate and to let the core team make the final decision.
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>> I’d like to concentrate this round of feedback on the quality of the proposal, and not on the merits of Solution 1 or 2. thoughts?
>> 
>> https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/blob/fix-private-access-levels/proposals/XXXX-fix-private-access-levels.md <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/blob/fix-private-access-levels/proposals/XXXX-fix-private-access-levels.md>
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>> David.
>> 
>> Fix Private Access Levels
>> 
>> Proposal: SE-XXXX <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/blob/fix-private-access-levels/proposals>
>> Authors: David Hart <http://github.com/hartbit>, Matthew Johnson <https://github.com/anandabits>
>> Review Manager: TBD
>> Status: TBD
>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#introduction>Introduction
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>> This proposal presents the problems the came with the the access level modifications in SE-0025 <https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0025-scoped-access-level.md> and presents two community driven solutions to fix them. As a consensus will not easily emerge, this proposal will allow a last round of voting and let the core team decide. Once that is done, this proposal will be ammended to describe the chosen solution.
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>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#motivation>Motivation
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>> Since the release of Swift 3, the access level change of SE-0025 was met with dissatisfaction by a substantial proportion of the general Swift community. Before offering solutions, lets discuss how and why it can be viewed as actiely harmful, the new requirement for syntax/API changes.
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>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#criticisms-of-se-0025>Criticisms of SE-0025
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>> There are two primary criticism that have been offered.
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>> The first is that private is a "soft default" access modifier for restricting access within a file. Scoped access is not a good behavior for a "soft default" because it is extremely common to use several extensions within a file. A "soft default" (and therefore private) should work well with this idiom. It is fair to say that changing the behavior of private such that it does not work well with extensions meets the criteria of actively harmful in the sense that it subtly encourages overuse of scoped access control and discourages the more reasonable default by giving it the awkward name fileprivate.
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>> The second is that Swift's system of access control is too complex. Many people feel like restricting access control to scopes less than a file is of dubious value and therefore wish to simplify Swift's access control story by removing scoped access. However, there are many others who like the ability to have the compiler verify tighter access levels and believe it helps make it easier to reason about code which is protecting invariants.
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>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#detailed-design>Detailed design
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>> Both authors agree that the private keyword should be reverted back to its Swift 2 file-based meaning, resolving the first criticism. But the authors disagree on what should be done about the scoped access level and the following solutions represent the two main opinions in the community:
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>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#solution-1-remove-the-scoped-access-level>Solution 1: Remove the scoped access level
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>> Compared to a file-based access level, the scoped-based access level adds meaningful information by hiding implementation details which do not concern other types or extensions in the same file. But is that distinction between private and fileprivate actively used by the larger community of Swift developers? And if it were used pervasively, would it be worth the cognitive load and complexity of keeping two very similar access levels in the language? This solution argues that answer to both questions is no and that the scoped access level should be removed to resolve the complexity criticism.
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>> This solution has the added advantage of leaving the most design breathing-room for future discussions about access levels in regards to submodules.
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>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#solution-2-rename-the-scoped-access-level-to-scoped>Solution 2: Rename the scoped access level to scoped
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>> It is difficult to make the case that a feature which a nontrivial number of Swift users find valuable and which is easy for teams to avoid is actively harmful. It seems like something that falls more into the category of a debate over style (which could be addressed by a linter). Should we remove a feature whose utility is a question of style, but is not actively harmful in the sense of causing programmer error? The second solution argues against it and proposes renaming it to scoped.
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>> The scoped keyword is a good choice not only because the community has been calling this feature “scoped access control” all along, but also because the principle underlying all of Swift’s access levels is the idea of a scope.
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>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#source-compatibility>Source compatibility
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>> In Swift 3 compatibility mode, the compiler will continue to treat private and fileprivate as was previously the case.
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>> In Swift 4 mode, the compiler will deprecate the fileprivate keyword and revert the semantics of the private access level to be file based. The migrator will rename all uses of fileprivate to private. In solution 2, the migrator will also rename all uses of private to scoped.
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>> With solution 1 (and with solution 2 if the migrator is not run), cases where a type had private declarations with the same signature in different scopes will produce a compiler error. For example, the following piece of code compiles in Swift 3 compatibilty mode but generates a Invalid redeclaration of 'foo()' error in Swift 4 mode.
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>> struct Foo {
>>     private func bar() {}
>> }
>> 
>> extension Foo {
>>     private func bar() {}
>> }
>>  <https://github.com/hartbit/swift-evolution/tree/fix-private-access-levels#alternatives-considered>Alternatives Considered
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>> Deprecate fileprivate and modify the semantics of private to include same-type extension scopes in the same file.
>> Deprecate fileprivate and modify the semantics of private to include same-type extension scopes in the same module.
>> The alternatives are potentially interesting but completely remove the file access level while making the new privateaccess level more complicated to explain and understand.
>> 
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