[swift-evolution] Fwd: re: [Discussion] mailing list alternative

[Ethin Probst]

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From: Ethin Probst <harlydavidsen at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:43:59 -0600
Subject: Re: [swift-evolution] [Discussion] mailing list alternative
To: Joshua Alvarado <alvaradojoshua0 at gmail.com>

If you guys desire it, I'd be happy to host a forum for you all.
You'll have to give me a weak or two to get it fully set-up and stuff,
but once that's one, we can slowly, but surely, move there.
Registration will, of course, be free, as everything else is.

On 1/23/17, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution
<swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
> + 3 Disclosure
> + 1 Slack
> + 1 Issue Tracker
>
> Jarod, I completely agree on your points. Changing from email threads will
> help participation and tracking threads.
>
> The email threads work in favor for those who have figured out how to use
> them. I am usually seeing only the same people participating over and over
> and not to many new new people(I could be wrong here). I don't believe this
> accurately reflects the whole Swift community as it is really big. Let's
> allow others to get their thoughts in. That is why I really would like for
> this conversation to be at the forefront.
>
> Alvarado, Joshua
>
>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Jarod Long <swift at lng.la> wrote:
>>
>> Another +1 for Discourse. I'd like to participate more, but the mailing
>> list format is difficult for me to use.
>>
>> I've gone through three email clients since swift-evolution started (Apple
>> Mail, then Airmail, and now Spark), and they work well enough for general,
>> simple email usage, but the mailing list experience has been poor enough
>> to discourage me from participating. Threads get split all the time --
>> right now I see four separate threads for the "Strings in Swift 4"
>> discussion. I'd need to click around each of them to get the entire
>> discussion and piece together the chronology manually, and if I want to
>> participate I need to somehow determine which thread is the correct one to
>> reply to.
>>
>> I appreciate the philosophy of the mailing list, but I really think that
>> forum software would work much better from a practical standpoint.
>>
>> I think a chat service like Slack could be useful as well, but not as a
>> replacement for something like a forum. A forum works much better for
>> long-form, asynchronous discussions.
>>
>> Jarod
>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2017, 09:59 -0800, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution
>>> <swift-evolution at swift.org>, wrote:
>>> It will be painted! ;)
>>>
>>> So far we have:
>>> +2 Disclosure
>>> +1 Slack
>>> +1 Issue tracker
>>>
>>> Let's really get everyone's opinions and see if we can get this rock
>>> rolling towards a better solution. Of course it will be Apple's choice in
>>> the end but we can give a voice on the matter to show we do care about
>>> moving over.
>>>
>>> Alvarado, Joshua
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:55 AM, David Waite <david at alkaline-solutions.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As long as we are pretending this bike shed is getting painted again…
>>>>
>>>> I would actually prefer something closer to an issue tracker than
>>>> discourse. We get a lot of repeat and diverging topics, and it would be
>>>> nice to mark discussions as related, duplicates, etc
>>>>
>>>> -DW
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution
>>>>> <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for Discourse. Cannot wait any longer for this to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Adrian Zubarev
>>>>> Sent with Airmail
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 23. Januar 2017 um 17:18:42, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution
>>>>> (swift-evolution at swift.org) schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey swifters,
>>>>>>   I would like to (re)open up discussion on moving away from email for
>>>>>> the swift evolution mailing list. I know this has probably been
>>>>>> discussed before but it really should be addressed again. I wouldn't
>>>>>> even know how to find if it has been discussed before because it would
>>>>>> be too hard to go back through the history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main factors to move away from email is because email may deter
>>>>>> newcomers, history, and threads. I may be speaking for myself when
>>>>>> saying email may intimidate newcomers from expressing their opinions
>>>>>> and thoughts. It is hard to know what has already been discussed and
>>>>>> who is even in the active conversation. Keeping track of history is a
>>>>>> pain as well. Searching through many emails to find who said what and
>>>>>> when is not effective in email clients. Also, code formatting in
>>>>>> emails is not effective. Let's discuss and actually make an action to
>>>>>> move away from email if the community so agrees. Of course,
>>>>>> recommendations are Slack, Hipchat (-1), and Gitter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Joshua Alvarado
>>>>>> alvaradojoshua0 at gmail.com
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