[swift-evolution] Should we relax restriction on closing over outer scope in class declarations?

[Callionica (Swift)]

I'm certainly assuming that users have a basic understanding of scope
(without that, what would be the intention behind defining the class within
the function?).

I'm not clear on what you see as the downside of letting classes capture
locals for users that are unaware of capturing.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:26 PM Xiaodi Wu <xiaodi.wu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Only if you're also assuming that people defining classes within functions
> would know about capturing. This violates the principle of progressive
> disclosure, since people naturally learn about functions and classes before
> they learn about closures and capturing.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 01:51 Callionica (Swift) <
> swift-callionica at callionica.com> wrote:
>
> Assuming capture were allowed, people defining classes within functions
> who didn't want them to capture could position the class definition prior
> to any other code in the function so that there would be nothing to
> capture.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 4:13 PM Xiaodi Wu via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Michael; it seems dangerous to allow implicit capture
> by classes. A primary purpose (telos?) of closures is to provide this
> functionality, which is actually quite an advanced concept. One knows to
> think carefully about this when encountering a closure expression. A
> primary purpose of classes is to provide for encapsulation of code.
> Accidentally extending the lifetime of a local variable in a containing
> scope would be hard to notice and highly unexpected functionality. Better
> not to mix these things.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 17:54 Micah Hainline via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> That's exactly what I'm suggesting, the class declaration could work
> similarly to a closure.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Michael Ilseman <milseman at apple.com> wrote:
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> >
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>
> > Are you asking for a class declaration to implicitly capture and extend
> the lifetime of local variables? That seems like something that’s better
> done explicitly. Perhaps it’s better to think about how to reduce the
> boiler plate code, e.g. better default initializers.
>
>
> >
>
>
> > (this is of course, additive and beyond the current scope of Swift 4
> phase 1 planning)
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> >
>
>
> >> On Dec 22, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Micah Hainline via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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> >>
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>
> >> Currently we allow declarations of a new class in local scope, but
>
>
> >> nothing can be referenced from the outer scope. Thus this is illegal:
>
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> >>
>
>
> >> ```
>
>
> >> func foo() {
>
>
> >>  let widgetString: String = createWidgetString()
>
>
> >>  class SimpleProvider: WidgetStringProvider {
>
>
> >>     func provideWidgetString() -> String {
>
>
> >>        return widgetString // Illegal, defined in outer scope
>
>
> >>     }
>
>
> >>  }
>
>
> >>  doThingsWithWidget(provider: WidgetStringProvider())
>
>
> >> }
>
>
> >> ```
>
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> >>
>
>
> >> I'm trying to feel out the edges of this decision, and figure out why
>
>
> >> exactly this isn't allowed now, and how we might want to relax this in
>
>
> >> the future if possible. While not a common construct, it is a useful
>
>
> >> one.
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> >>
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> >> Obviously there are ways around it, very simple to create an init and
>
>
> >> a private let and do something like this:
>
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> >>
>
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> >> ```
>
>
> >> func foo() {
>
>
> >>  let widgetString: String = createWidgetString()
>
>
> >>  class SimpleProvider: WidgetStringProvider {
>
>
> >>     private let widgetString: String
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >>     init(widgetString: String) {
>
>
> >>        self.widgetString = widgetString
>
>
> >>     }
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >>     func provideWidgetString() -> String {
>
>
> >>        return widgetString // now legal, references
>
>
> >> SimpleProvider.widgetString
>
>
> >>     }
>
>
> >>  }
>
>
> >>  doThingsWithWidget(provider: WidgetStringProvider(widgetString:
>
>
> >> widgetString))
>
>
> >> }
>
>
> >> ```
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >> That's boilerplate I don't want to write though, as it somewhat
>
>
> >> detracts from the readability of the structure. I'm not super
>
>
> >> interested in defending the concept of local class definitions itself,
>
>
> >> it's already allowed in the language, I'm just interested in the
>
>
> >> syntax limitation and where that line might be able to be redrawn.
>
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