[swift-evolution] Swift evolution proposal: introduce typeprivate access control level

[Goffredo Marocchi]

It seems a bit like a false equivalency as notation in music is more convention on how to interpret the notes rather than something actively part of the creative process potentially.

All the programming languages are essentially reducible to if and recursion... should we just give up and move in that direction too :)?
Seriously though, we ran into the issue with inheritance chains because we had this nice hammer and everything looked like a nail, Are we doing the same with POP every time we discuss something that improves or could improve OOP :)?

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> On 2 Dec 2016, at 15:44, Benjamin Spratling via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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> I see where you're going with that.  So it's an artifact from Java and C++, too?  :)
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> I was recently doing a review of music notation, and one of the problems is that it has multiple ways of doing exactly the same thing.  Anyone trying to read a given piece of music has to learn all of them, making the problem multiple times harder than necessary.
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> We already have a way to enforce "you need to implement this" in Swift, and it's with protocols.  Personally, I'd rather see us move in that direction.
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> -Ben
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> Sent from my iPhone.
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>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Jeremy Pereira <jeremy.j.pereira at googlemail.com> wrote:
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>>> On 2 Dec 2016, at 14:07, Benjamin Spratling via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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>>> I agree that there is a major problem with “subclasses must override these methods”.  We have no capability to describe this in Swift, and frankly, it feels like something that ought to be enforced.  It’s almost like we were really asked to conform to a protocol, but the protocol was a class.  Maybe this is an artifact from previous Obj-C development?  I.E. if it were designed in scratch in Swift it wouldn’t be a class with required overrides, but a protocol where every other method already had a default implementation?
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>> In Java and C++ you would implement this with an abstract method. i.e. a method that has a declaration and no body. A proposal was made to introduce these but was deferred. Reading the rationale for the decision, it looks like the dev team were generally favourable but didn’t have time to do the implementation, plus there were some details that needed to be nailed down.
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>> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0026-abstract-classes-and-methods.md
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>>>> One of the simple examples would be: you need an API that requires overriding? Make it accessible for ancestors only (even in protocols). Despite the argument "ancestors can open it to public" (there are a lot of dangerous things to do) it makes the API much more clean and hides implementation complexity. Otherwise you just have to explain it in the doc "please don't call this method, it's an internal" which feels wrong.
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