[swift-evolution] PITCH: New :== operator for generic constraints
Slava Pestov
spestov at apple.com
Wed Aug 17 15:25:05 CDT 2016
> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Charles Srstka via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
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>> On 17.08.2016 13:00, Boris Wang via swift-evolution wrote:
>>> The problem is that:
>>> protocol should not be a type, but it is a type sometime and not type
>>> sometime now.
>>>
>>> for exam:
>>> P.Type not same as T.Type
>>>
>>> But you can declare a variable of type P.
>>>
>>> Protocol should be a contract only, no instances of it.
>>
>> I'm also confused about this. Tried to follow the whole discussion of experienced(as I understand) developer Charles and a member of core team, and saw that even experienced developer had some troubles to understand all the catches of protocols in Swift.
>>
>> How we want to make less experienced developers to understand Swift's model of protocols&conformance&generic&existentials&etc.. While problems begins with the most used Equatable/Hashable protocols..
>>
>> Also I believe the syntax of generic constraints in 'where' part is confusing. I'm about this:
>>
>> func pick<PepperType:Sequence>(peppers: PepperType) where PepperType.Iterator.Element == Pepper
>>
>> If '== Proto' means *exactly* typed as such protocol("let arr : [Proto] = .."), so IMO ': Proto' should means *typed* as exactly this protocol or any derived protocol("let arr : [ProtocolDerivedFromProto] = .."). Just in symmetry with class types in 'where' clause here.
>>
>> Currently, how to specify 'protocol Proto or its derived protocols" ?
>
> Basically, the issue is that as things currently stand, there is no way to specify that. Your options basically boil down to: 1) implement the method twice, 2) force the caller to cast to the protocol first, or 3) just use an array.
>
>> I suggest to discuss changing the rules for 'where' generic filter for protocols:
>>
>> 1. Don't allow syntax ': P' or '== P' for protocols. Such syntax should be allowed only for classes, structs & other value types.
>>
>> 2. For protocol introduce 'is P' syntax, which should mean 'typed exactly as P, or its derived protocol, or as concrete type conformed to P'. I.e.:
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>> func pick<PepperType:Sequence>(peppers: PepperType) where PepperType.Iterator.Element is Pepper
>>
>> 3. If it is hard to implement (2) today in the "right" way, implement it with two copies of the same function, one with ":P" and one with "==P"(was discussed earlier in thread)
>
> This looks identical to my pitch, only with the operator named “is” instead of “:==“. Unfortunately, we now have Word of God that the Swift team wants to avoid cloning functions à la C++ templates, so it may be a bit of a non-starter.
I’m not the Word of God, nor am I on the core team, I just work here and stating my opinions on the matter ;-)
Slava
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> Charles
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