[swift-evolution] [Draft][Proposal] Formalized Ordering

[Xiaodi Wu]

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution <
swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

>
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
>
> on Fri Jul 22 2016, Tony Allevato <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> I like a lot of this, but the changes to Equatable are where I get stuck.
> What are the scenarios where areSame is useful *outside* the context of the
> proposed new Comparable interface?
>
> I ask because changing the requirement for Equatable to areSame instead of
> == seems like a backwards change to me. There are plenty of unorderable
> types where == is the obvious thing you want to implement, and this makes
> it less obvious. It also adds a named method to a protocol to serve the
> purpose of an operator, which I've been fighting hard against in SE-0091
> (even though you keep the global one and delegate to it).
>
> There are two concepts at play here: comparability and orderability. 99.99%
> of the time, they are identical.
>
>
> The concepts are “domain-specific semantics” vs “semantics that is
> useful in generic contexts.”  Yes, they are usually identical.
>
> Your proposal mentions one place where they're not: IEEE floating
> point numbers, because there exists an element in that space, NaN,
> that doesn't satisfy an equivalence relation at all.
>
>
> It's not limited to NaN.  The +0/-0 distinction can be tricky as well.
>
> But it's still reasonable to want a stable ordering with those
> included.
>
>
> It's also reasonable to want to search for those in a collection or use
> them as hash keys.  I'm pointing this out because it goes to the
> definition of equality, which sorting in general does not.
>
> In the proposal as it's written right now, the individual inequality
> operators are implemented in terms of <=>. That won't work for
> FloatingPoint, because (NaN < x) and (NaN >= x) should both be false but
> the default implementations provided would make the latter true. So
> FloatingPoint would still have to provide its own implementations of *all
> of the (in)equality operators*, not just ==, in order to have the correct
> definition w.r.t. to IEEE 754. I didn't see that called out anywhere in the
> write-up.
>
>
> That's my error, actually. I wasn't thinking straight when I proposed a
> change to the proposal that I claimed dropped the need for the other
> operators.
>
> That being said, don't get me wrong—there's still a lot about this proposal
> that I like :)  Here's what I'm thinking (which is mostly what you have
> written, with some tweaks):
>
> 1) Don't change Equatable. I don't see a need to distinguish between
> equivalence and equality on its own (if there is one, please let me
> know!).
>
>
> There is, because for algorithms that require Equatable to have any kind
> of meaningful semantics the equivalence relation requirement must be
> fulfilled, and prominent types exist whose `==` operator is not an
> equivalence relation.
>
>
> Have you considered moving away from `==` for these domain specific
> operations?  Does the IEEE standard specify the exact syntax of `==` or is
> that just a convention?
>
> It feels really strange to me to have an `==` operation that is not an
> equivalence relation (even if it is common and is the usual way to compare
> floating point).  Despite common practice I think it lends itself to an
> intuition of equivalence.
>

I think that would just be too disruptive. I expect to be able to compare
any numeric type to the integer literal 0 using `==`.

> As it stands today, I think the proposal "leaks" ordering concepts into
> Equatable when it shouldn't.
>
>
> I don't see any evidence for that, and I don't even believe you've said
> anything here to support that point of view.
>
> 2) Comparable defines <=>, as proposed, but *also* defines <, >, <=, >=. A
> protocol extension provides defaults for <, >, <=, >=, ==, and !=
> implemented in terms of <=>. This lets most implementors of Comparable
> implement <=> and get everything else for free, but it also lets types
> replace individual operators with customized implementations (see #4 below)
> easily *within* the type (SE-0091).
>
>
> Check
>
> 3) Comparable should be documented to imply that the default behavior is to
> link the behavior of <=> to the individual comparisons, but that it can be
> changed, meaning that only <=> must define a total ordering and the
> individual comparison operators need not.
>
>
> Yes, the doc comments are missing from the proposal.
>
> 4) The very few types, like FloatingPoint, that need to provide
> domain-specific behavior to do the obvious/intended thing for users can and
> should override <, >, <=, >=, ==, and !=. This should be called out
> explicitly, and it would *not* affect ordering.
>
>
> Depends what you mean by “affect ordering.”  Clearly if you sort Floats
> using < explicitly, it will have an effect.
>
> I think it's entirely reasonable to have (NaN == NaN) return false and
> (NaN != NaN) return true but (NaN <=> NaN) return .same without
> introducing another areSame concept, because the former is demanded by
> IEEE 754.  5) Algorithms that rely on a total order, like sorts, must
> be implemented in terms of <=>, not in terms of the individual
> operators, because of the possibility that the definitions can be
> severed above.
>
>
> But you're forgetting algorithms that require an equivalence relation,
> which is basically everything that's constrained to Equatable.
>
> As mentioned below, the one thing that a three-way comparison loses is the
> easy ability to pass > instead of < to reverse the ordering, but it's
> trivial to write a function that does this and I think it should be
> included as part of the proposal. Something like this (may be typos, I'm
> writing it in Gmail):
>
> public func reverse<C: Comparable>(ordering: (C, C) -> Ordering) -> (C, C)
> -> Ordering {
>  return { lhs, rhs in
>    switch ordering(lhs, rhs) {
>    case .ascending: return .descending
>    case .descending: return .ascending
>    case .same: return .same
>  }
> }
>
> (Comedy alternative: Add a second operator, >=<. But that might be pushing
> it.)
>
>
> Agreed, we should do something about this use case.
>
> --
> Dave
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