[swift-evolution] Prohibit invisible characters in identifier names

Saagar Jha saagarjha28 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 27 01:14:13 CDT 2016

It’s leaving a lot of Linux users out to dry; a better option may be a sort
of hybrid approach with a “middleman” tool that does the translation, which
people could simply add as a build step if they needed translation.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:08 PM Charlie Monroe <charlie at charliemonroe.net>

> Sure, but if you want to have translated identifiers, there's really no
> other (better) option unless you want to create ABI incompatible code
> (given that Swift 4 has a finalized ABI) that only runs on your localized
> system.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Saagar Jha <saagarjha28 at gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem with depending on the IDE is that not everyone is using
> Xcode…or even a modern IDE. There are those that are using basic text
> editors, which must be considered as well.
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 9:25 PM Charlie Monroe via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>> > On Jun 25, 2016, at 7:12 AM, David Sweeris <davesweeris at mac.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Jun 24, 2016, at 23:13, Charlie Monroe via swift-evolution <
>> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> BTW how far along with programming do you think you'd get without the
>> knowledge of English? All libraries, SDKs use English identifiers. The
>> documentation is in English. For one to lear programming without actually
>> knowing any English would require the language to have localizable
>> identifiers. Can you imagine those? Given how much time is put here to
>> standardize the naming of a few methods in the standard library, how would
>> it look in other languages?
>> >
>> > Speaking of which, hypothetically, if we wanted to support translations
>> of Swift itself (and the standard library), would it be better to have the
>> compiler figure out how to make object files work across languages, or
>> would it be better for the on-disk file to always be in the "canonical"
>> language and have the IDE do the translation?
>> Historically, these languages were 100% translated and required localized
>> compiler support (we're talking about BASIC, Pascal) since back then IDE
>> support was quite poor. Nowadays, on-the-fly translation by the IDE would
>> probably work out the best.
>> > I'm *not* proposing we do this... Just thinking about what would need
>> to be done and how hard it would be.
>> >
>> > - Dave Sweeris
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> -Saagar Jha
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-Saagar Jha
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