[swift-evolution] Revisiting SE-0041 Names

Dave Abrahams dabrahams at apple.com
Wed Jun 22 19:04:23 CDT 2016

on Wed Jun 22 2016, Matthew Johnson <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Dmitri Gribenko <gribozavr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution
>> <swift-evolution at swift.org
>> <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>>
>> wrote:
>>> Proposal:
>>> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0041-conversion-protocol-conventions.md
>>> Rejection: "The feedback on the proposal was generally positive about the
>>> idea of renaming these protocols, but the specific names in the proposal are
>>> not well received, and there is no apparent confluence in the community on
>>> better names.  The core team prefers discussion to continue -- if/when there
>>> is a strong proposal for a better naming approach, we can reconsider
>>> renaming these."
>>> John McCall: "To be clear, I don't care about the name.  If you want to
>>> rename IntegerLiteralConvertible to IntegerLiteral or whatever, I won't drag
>>> the conversation into the muck again. :)  It's the design of the
>>> requirements that I'm pretty opposed to revisiting."
>>> The Problem: This is really the last chance to rationalize this across the
>>> language and to evaluate whether other protocol groups should have a core
>>> scheme for naming.
>> Hi Erica,
>> I would like to re-state the feedback from Dave Abrahams, Max Moiseev
>> and me from the last time this was discussed.  Unfortunately I can't
>> find the exact email, so I can't provide a link.
>> - The "literal" protocols are not about conversion, they are about
>> adopting a certain syntax provided by the language.  "Convertible" in
>> the name is a red herring: a type can't be convertible from an integer
>> literal because there is no "IntegerLiteral" entity in the type
>> system.  The literal *becomes* typed as the corresponding literal type
>> (e.g., Int or String), and as far as the user at the call site is
>> concerned, there is no visible conversion (even if one is happening
>> behind the scenes).
>> Our suggestion was to focus on the "adopting the syntax" part.  We
>> suggested moving the "literal convertible" protocols into a
>> pseudo-namespace "Syntax".  It could be implemented like this:
>> protocol _IntegerLiteralSyntax {}
>> enum Syntax {
>>  typealias IntegerLiteral = _IntegerLiteralSyntax
>> }
>> And used like this:
>> struct Int : Syntax.IntegerLiteral {}
> Is anyone on the core team planning to write up a proposal for this
> change?  

Not currently.

> If not, I will be happy to do it.  

That's much appreciated!

> It solves the biggest issue I have with the current state (two
> different meanings for “Convertible”).  I will be happy to see this
> solved while we’re making breaking changes. :)
>> - For protocols that are representing conversions between types that
>> actually exist in the library, there is not enough precedent yet to
>> make a general conclusion and standardize a pattern.
>> Dmitri
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