[swift-evolution] [META] Re: Mailman?

Wed Mar 9 12:47:22 CST 2016

For those who are just interested in getting these conversations out of their
email in the meantime, you can use the nntp bridge at

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.swift.evolution/

Along with Panic's retired Unison app

https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/

As a pretty good GUI for this.

--
Keith Smiley

On 03/09, James Campbell via swift-evolution wrote:
> They are listening but they keep saying they don't have the resources. So I
> would encourage them to let the community give back and set something up !
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> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:28 PM, David Hart via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> > +1000
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 09 Mar 2016, at 11:34, Adrian Kashivskyy via swift-evolution <
> > swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm a very big supporter of moving the discussions to a Discourse forum
> > installation. Here are my arguments:
> >
> >
> >    1. *Subscribing to interesting threads*
> >    In the mailing list, it is not possible to subscribe to a thread
> >    unless the mail client supports it. In a forum, you can subscribe to a
> >    thread and you may even turn on email notifications.
> >    2. *Muting uninteresting threads*
> >    Unless the mail client is supporting it (many don't) – it's not
> >    possible to mute a thread – all emails are equally important.
> >    3. *Searching*
> >    It is way easier to search an indexed forum like Discourse, than
> >    searching through 12k emails
> >    4. *Message formatting*
> >    We tend to include many code examples and formatted text in our
> >    messages. Some of us tend to create markdown files on the side and then
> >    paste the generated HTML into an email body. Discourse supports
> >    mix-and-match of Markdown, HTML and BBEdit.
> >    5. *Tags*
> >    In the mailing list, most of us tend to include [tags] in the mail
> >    subjects, but some folks forget or ignore them. Discourse allows to
> >    predefine tags for the threads which improves indexing and searching even
> >    more.
> >    6. *Pinned threads*
> >    Announcements of e.g. ongoing reviews may take a form of pinned
> >    threads so they are immediately visible to forum members.
> >    7. *The problem of replying to a thread with a changed subject*
> >    Sometimes users reply to threads but accidentally add a tag or a
> >    whitespace to the message subject. Most mail client interpret it as a new
> >    thread and such a reply may be lost in the wild. Replies to coherent forum
> >    threads are never lost, they're always in the right place.
> >    8. *Accessibility*
> >    Even if your mailing client allows all of the above features,
> >    sometimes it is needed to access the forums from a phone or on a university
> >    computer, where many functionalities are blocked. Although it is possible
> >    to access the webmail page in the browser, it is most often painful to
> >    navigate through archives (especially on icloud.com ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). When
> >    using Discourse, all above features are available everywhere.
> >    9. *Permanent links*
> >    To share a link to a Discourse discussion, you just copy it from the
> >    browser URL field. To share a link to a mailing list reply, you need to
> >    open the web archive, find the topic manually and then copy the URL from
> >    the browser field anyway.
> >    10. *Mentioning other users*
> >    In mailing list, this is achievable by including the target user in a
> >    recipients list. In forum, you just @mention someone, just like in GitHub
> >    issues.
> >    11. *Privacy*
> >    Some users don't want their private emails to be disclosed in a
> >    mailing list. In a forum like Discourse, you can choose whether your email
> >    is displayed publicly or not.
> >
> >
> > I can actually go on and on with my points, but I very much hope that the
> > above list is sufficient to start a serious discussion about migrating to a
> > forum, like Discourse.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrian Kashivskyy
> >
> > Wiadomość napisana przez Fload via swift-evolution <
> > swift-evolution at swift.org> w dniu 06.03.2016, o godz. 23:46:
> >
> > Using Mail here, it works well for me! :)
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Kevin Lundberg via swift-evolution <
> > swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if some of the dislike for mailing lists here is due to people
> > using Mail.app on osx/ios to keep up with discussions. I find that
> > Thunderbird's mailing list handling is really nice (much better than
> > Mail.app), since it correctly shows replies as a tree so it's easy to see
> > which messages reply to which at a glance.
> >
> > On 3/6/2016 12:54 PM, Goffredo Marocchi via swift-evolution wrote:
> >
> > Setting up a custom Google Wave service? ... *waits for laughter to die
> > down* it is actually open source and did its job well actually.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 6 Mar 2016, at 17:35, Radosław Pietruszewski via swift-evolution <
> > swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have to admit that I’ve also gotten used to the current system, however
> > archaic ;)
> >
> > I’d still be happy to move to a more modern system, but it’s not as
> > important to me as in the beginning.
> >
> > The only requirement, I think, for a lot of people, would be for the new
> > system to still allow subscription and posting to go through email.
> >
> > Best,
> > — Radek
> >
> > On 05 Mar 2016, at 00:37, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <
> > swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking as someone who tries to observe trends in discussions, does a lot
> > of search through her mail archives,
> > and uses gmane to capture permanent links, I've been very satisfied with
> > the existing solution.
> >
> > I suspect that most of us happy users never get heard in this discussion,
> > so I'm just putting this out there.
> >
> > -- Erica
> >
> >
> > On Mar 4, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <
> > <swift-evolution at swift.org>swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
> >
> > Friendly bump:
> >
> > Discourse is now free for open-source projects.
> >
> >
> > http://blog.discourse.org/2016/03/free-discourse-forum-hosting-for-community-friendly-github-projects/
> >
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