[swift-evolution] [META] Re: Mailman?

Wed Mar 9 05:41:36 CST 2016

I hope that Apple is listening. This would be so much better! Mail is
terrible for this.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 5:34 AM Adrian Kashivskyy via swift-evolution <
swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

> I'm a very big supporter of moving the discussions to a Discourse forum
> installation. Here are my arguments:
>
>
>    1. *Subscribing to interesting threads*
>    In the mailing list, it is not possible to subscribe to a thread
>    unless the mail client supports it. In a forum, you can subscribe to a
>    thread and you may even turn on email notifications.
>    2. *Muting uninteresting threads*
>    Unless the mail client is supporting it (many don't) – it's not
>    possible to mute a thread – all emails are equally important.
>    3. *Searching*
>    It is way easier to search an indexed forum like Discourse, than
>    searching through 12k emails
>    4. *Message formatting*
>    We tend to include many code examples and formatted text in our
>    messages. Some of us tend to create markdown files on the side and then
>    paste the generated HTML into an email body. Discourse supports
>    mix-and-match of Markdown, HTML and BBEdit.
>    5. *Tags*
>    In the mailing list, most of us tend to include [tags] in the mail
>    subjects, but some folks forget or ignore them. Discourse allows to
>    predefine tags for the threads which improves indexing and searching even
>    more.
>    6. *Pinned threads*
>    Announcements of e.g. ongoing reviews may take a form of pinned
>    threads so they are immediately visible to forum members.
>    7. *The problem of replying to a thread with a changed subject*
>    Sometimes users reply to threads but accidentally add a tag or a
>    whitespace to the message subject. Most mail client interpret it as a new
>    thread and such a reply may be lost in the wild. Replies to coherent forum
>    threads are never lost, they're always in the right place.
>    8. *Accessibility*
>    Even if your mailing client allows all of the above features,
>    sometimes it is needed to access the forums from a phone or on a university
>    computer, where many functionalities are blocked. Although it is possible
>    to access the webmail page in the browser, it is most often painful to
>    navigate through archives (especially on icloud.com ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). When
>    using Discourse, all above features are available everywhere.
>    9. *Permanent links*
>    To share a link to a Discourse discussion, you just copy it from the
>    browser URL field. To share a link to a mailing list reply, you need to
>    open the web archive, find the topic manually and then copy the URL from
>    the browser field anyway.
>    10. *Mentioning other users*
>    In mailing list, this is achievable by including the target user in a
>    recipients list. In forum, you just @mention someone, just like in GitHub
>    issues.
>    11. *Privacy*
>    Some users don't want their private emails to be disclosed in a
>    mailing list. In a forum like Discourse, you can choose whether your email
>    is displayed publicly or not.
>
>
> I can actually go on and on with my points, but I very much hope that the
> above list is sufficient to start a serious discussion about migrating to a
> forum, like Discourse.
>
>
> Regards,
> Adrian Kashivskyy
>
> Wiadomość napisana przez Fload via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> w dniu 06.03.2016, o godz. 23:46:
>
>
> Using Mail here, it works well for me! :)
>
> On Mar 6, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Kevin Lundberg via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> I wonder if some of the dislike for mailing lists here is due to people
> using Mail.app on osx/ios to keep up with discussions. I find that
> Thunderbird's mailing list handling is really nice (much better than
> Mail.app), since it correctly shows replies as a tree so it's easy to see
> which messages reply to which at a glance.
>
> On 3/6/2016 12:54 PM, Goffredo Marocchi via swift-evolution wrote:
>
> Setting up a custom Google Wave service? ... *waits for laughter to die
> down* it is actually open source and did its job well actually.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 6 Mar 2016, at 17:35, Radosław Pietruszewski via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> I have to admit that I’ve also gotten used to the current system, however
> archaic ;)
>
> I’d still be happy to move to a more modern system, but it’s not as
> important to me as in the beginning.
>
> The only requirement, I think, for a lot of people, would be for the new
> system to still allow subscription and posting to go through email.
>
> Best,
> — Radek
>
> On 05 Mar 2016, at 00:37, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> Speaking as someone who tries to observe trends in discussions, does a lot
> of search through her mail archives,
> and uses gmane to capture permanent links, I've been very satisfied with
> the existing solution.
>
> I suspect that most of us happy users never get heard in this discussion,
> so I'm just putting this out there.
>
> -- Erica
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <
> <swift-evolution at swift.org>swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> Friendly bump:
>
> Discourse is now free for open-source projects.
>
>
> http://blog.discourse.org/2016/03/free-discourse-forum-hosting-for-community-friendly-github-projects/
>
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