[swift-evolution] ed/ing, InPlace, Set/SetAlgebra naming resolution
Jim Hillhouse
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Thu Feb 11 21:01:44 CST 2016
So, someone thought. I mean, if one is going to mess-up their English, why not 'intersectioning'? I'll just assume 'unioning' was a case of
Jim
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> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
>
>> on Thu Feb 11 2016, James Hillhouse IV <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>>
>> The reason I commented on ‘union’ as a verb was because, with
>> ‘unioning’ proposed in SetAlgebra, I figured someone in the Swift
>> group must have been a fan of older verb-form usage of ‘union’.
>
> Yep, someone must've. ;-)
All kidding aside, brutally mangling 'union' into 'unioning' is was obviously a poor choice. Now I'm just relieved 'intersectioning' was avoided. ;-)
>> That’s what I get for basing my comment on ‘Wiki’-anything.
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution
>>> <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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>>>
>>> on Thu Feb 11 2016, Jim Hillhouse
>>> <swift-evolution at swift.org
>>> <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are these function names being based on the present participle of each verb, e.g. 'union' and 'intersect'?
>>>>
>>>> The present participle of 'union' is technically speaking,
>>>> 'unioning'.
>>>
>>> Technically speaking, I'm pretty sure you can't have a participle of
>>> anything that isn't a verb, and “union” isn't one AFAICT.
>>>
>>> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/150843/verb-for-to-form-the-union-of-a-and-b
>>> <http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/150843/verb-for-to-form-the-union-of-a-and-b>
>>>
>>>> But it is not widely used. In fact, in both Pages and Word, 'unioning'
>>>> is flagged as a misspelling of 'union'.
>>>>
>>>> The present participle of 'intersect' is 'intersecting';
>>>> 'intersection' is a noun.
>>>>
>>>> As currently presented, the use of 'union' and 'intersection' are a
>>>> mixing of rarely used though correct present participle verb tense and
>>>> a noun. I think it would be better to recognize that 'union' and
>>>> 'intersection' are two universally used mathematical terms and to
>>>> forego the suggested verb tense gymnastics.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> jimhillhouse at me.com
>>>> 512-484-9489
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Jim's iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Xiaodi Wu via swift-evolution
>>>>> <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> MHO: +1 on the intention of using less unwieldy names, but -1 on the
>>>>> specific solution. I fear that the current solution has some
>>>>> inexplicable inconsistencies and some Englishing which verges, again
>>>>> MHO, on Hungarianisms that others have mentioned are to be
>>>>> explicitly avoided.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, why is it intersection() but unioning()? Surely it
>>>>> should be either intersecting() and unioning() or intersection() and
>>>>> union()? Also, I understand that there's precedent elsewhere and
>>>>> that uniting() is not a good counterpart to union(), but unioning()
>>>>> is a pretty unsavory mangling of the noun. And then we have
>>>>> exclusiveOring(), which is just not English.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:38 AM Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution
>>>>>> <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The API guidelines working group took up the issue of the InPlace suffix
>>>>>> yesterday, and decided that it was not to be used anywhere in the
>>>>>> standard library. We are planning to apply the changes shown here
>>>>>> <https://gist.github.com/dabrahams/d872556291a3cb797bd5> to the API of
>>>>>> SetAlgebra (and consequently Set) to make it conform to the guidelines
>>>>>> under development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments welcome as usual,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -Dave
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